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Michigan Football, Team 138, 2017 Season.

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  • For those that have not seen it:

    Grant Newsome is more likely to return in 2018 than 2017. That means the likely OL is Cole, Bredeson, Kugler, Onwenu and JBB. I think well see Ruiz replace Kugler at C at some point in the season. Expect opponents to harass at the tackle spots.

    Drake Johnson will not be on the RB rotation and with Kingston Davis transferring, the rotation will look something like this: Chris Evans, Ty Isacc, Karen Higdon, and Kareem Walker (in no particular order). I doubt any of the Freshman RBs are going to get playing time. Omary Samuels could be the exception.

    Speight remains unchallenged at QB. If I were him, I'd be worried about getting beat up. Hope the Harbaughffense cabal has some strategy to mitigate that OL reliability issue for him.
    Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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    • I'm holding out hope for Peters to wow. I'll be fine with Speight. I think he'll be a cooler head in his second season. But it would be nice if Peters zoomed past him. A bummer that McCaffrey wasn't an early entry.

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      • Peters ended up with a higher grade than Mccaffrey.
        To be a professional means that you don't die. - Takeru "the Tsunami" Kobayashi

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        • 22-year old Speight has probably hit his ceiling. He's fragile, history of shoulder problems back to HS. Peters or JOK will be the starter by years end.

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          • I think Speight is going to have a monster year. We saw flashes of it last year and I think you'll see him put it all together more consistently this season.

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            • But he'll have less talent/experience around him.

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              • More talent, less experience.

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                • Make no mistake, I don't think it's likely Speight is going to be unseated. I think he'll for the most part be very, very good.

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                  • Originally posted by drok View Post
                    I think Speight is going to have a monster year. We saw flashes of it last year and I think you'll see him put it all together more consistently this season.
                    I can't disagree with this entirely but I think Speight's ability to improve is going to depend on his ability to stay healthy.

                    He has to be able to consistently throw medium to long and if the OL can't protect him through 3 and 4 counts, he takes enough hits, he'll be a liability in Harbaughffense.

                    Think about him v. FSU. He still probably had shoulder problems but FSU simply put enough pressure on him using 4 and infrequently 5 pass rushers to take away the medium/long ball part of JH's offense.

                    Speight needs that one or two more counts to get his feet set, his frame square in order to hit tight windows in the medium range and get that important deep strike by putting the ball accurately where his receiver can get to it and the defender can't.

                    I'd go as far as to say, Speight's probably not what JH wants at QB right now but it's what he's got so, he'll design the offense around his skill set ...... he see's the field well and knows the offense. He's a very accurate passer when he's not injured and has that couple of extra seconds he needs.

                    Today's defenses are tough on QBs like Speight these days. When all that guy does well is read a defense and throw, with M's OL, that's probably not going to be enough to get you to the play-offs.
                    Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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                    • Understanding the offense better this year will do wonders for the quickness of his release.

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                      • Good point. If he can accelerate his release, he may not need the extra 2 counts.

                        Last season I did a lot of throw it damn it as a DE was crashing through.
                        Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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                        • He's got a really slow delivery, those WR screens are something Speight couldn't do effectively last season.

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                          • Speight is a MAC caliber athlete at a hard ceiling.

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                            • I couldn't copy the page but the page is at an mgoboard post. It compares the UM v UF 2 deep player rankings then gives an offense and defense average rating for the 1s and the 2s. Interesting stuff. Link is below. When you get to the page, right click on the image and select open in another window. It will come up in readable format.

                              Saw this on the GatorBait.net forums this morning and thought it was interesting.  Of course these two-deep charts are very notional. Credit goes to user BostonGator for putting this together. Embed below.  (Either Hold Control and scroll mouse wheel to zoom OR just right click an open image to view full size.) EDIT:  Indeed these are recruiting rankings and are not necessarily indicitive of current 2017 talent.  Interesting nonetheless.
                              Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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                              • More good stuff from mgoboard. This one is a post by an M fan who poured over post spring game reports and blogs and distilled into a very good read on UF. One conclusion (not verbatim)

                                It's a toss-up game on a neutral field with M only slightly favored ....... but Harbaugh is >>>>>> everyone so, M wins.

                                Heh.

                                I didn't watch the UF spring game.  It ended up a landslide as McElwain played his 1s vs 2s.  He did that in 2016 as well with similar onslaught.   I don't see the point of that but I'm not a highly paid college football coach.  What I have below is a collection of thoughts after reading through about 8 websites/blogs that are devoted to Florida Gators stuff, along with some "2017 football season preview" stuff from non UF devoted sites. Top level UF offense has sucked since McElwain/Nuss arrived.  To be fair they have not had a QB.  To be unfair Nuss walked on water at Bama and since leaving there has delivered his normal boring stuff at both stops.  This guy is the equivalent of "Brett Favre QB coach"... making a lot of money based on being in the right place at the right time once in his career. UF defense has been very good, but lost a lot of talent.  "Eight defensive starters lost!!"  Sound familiar?  That said it will be older and more experienced than UM's defense. Overall these teams sound VERY familiar going into the year actually - with a lot of similar holes and questions. UF has won 2 divisional champions in McElwain's first 2 years - so there's that.  But it's sort of late Lloyd Carr or always Mark Richt stuff.  9-4 and getting outclassed when playing the top end competition.  Many expect Georgia to "be back" and UF to now fall to 2nd in the division. Projection for the game - 2 defenses doing a lot of foiling of offenses.  Two OL making fanbases sad.  Some talented running backs.  QB who makes less mistakes and 2-3 big plays probably wins. Offense QB - Felipe Franks is the #1 right now.  He played with the 1s and the backup QB played with the 2s (vs the 1s) and as could be expected Franks looked a lot better.  Guy is high ceiling/low floor type of player - will wow, then do stupid things.  Accuracy is a concern.  But can throw a 40 yard rope over your young safety and corner.  Franks seems to be the QB unless Zaire shows up in Rudock fashion this summer.  Luke Del Rio seems like the backup. RB - in good hands.  Despite an awful OL, starter Jordan Scarlett averaged 5.0 yds per carry last year which is Mike Hart like.  He could be punishing behind a real OL.  He should be a 1K+ type back even with sharing carries.  Smith averaged 4.7 behind a superior OL last year for comparison.  He has a good understudy in Lamical (!) Perine, who averaged 4.6.   A 3rd guy - Mark Thompson - seems to impress everyone when he runs; the only problem is he can't protect the ball so seems destined for Ty Isaac usage. WR - return #1 WR Antonio Callaway with his 700 yds.  Which in a normal offense would be 900 yds but since this is Nuss offense with a LOL QB was only 700 yds.  Slot guy Brandon Powell is a SR and a nice "possession" type.  Outside of that, UF has a normal array of "Florida WR types" who could pop if they get a QB to throw them the ball.  Otherwise they will just run around a lot to no avail. Potential special player - Kadarius Toney aka Denard Robinson.  Toney went into the spring game in the 2nd half as a "QB" but essentially a "RB who throws" - he went 3/5 for 24 yds...then ran 5 times for 74 yds.  So potential wildcat, scatback, change of pace QB etc. OL - reading about UF 2017 OL makes me think of "something between 2015 and 2016 UM OL".  2015 OL would be the floor, 2016 OL would be the ceiling.  Junior Martez Ivey is their one good guy (stronger Mason Cole), he is moving out from inside to left tackle as their left tackle is off to the NFL.  They have 3 other returning starters of the Braden, Kalis variety.  They feel like SO Jawaan Taylor will be a decent RT, and center seems to be RS SO TJ McCoy.  So they have experience - but a bunch of meh in their history.  Then they need to fill the guard spots - they have experienced meh choices or could go young.  So not unlike us entering 2016 with 3 established starters and looking for a LT and guard.  (New OL coach by the way) TE -They have a senior there named Goolsby.  3rd on the team last year with 38 catches, 342 yds (Butt comparables = 46 for 546) Pep/Drevno >>>> Nuss.  Borges v Nuss? Tough one man. This was McElwein's quote about the OL post spring “I thought they did okay. Disappointed with a couple guys that didn’t compete. We got kind of after them at half time a little bit about competing. Sure enough, they came out in that second half and did a much better job.” So yeah. Overall it smells a lot like UM's offense.  Playmakers are out there at the skill positions.  Can the QB deliver?  Can the OL keep QB upright.  UF has more experience coming back esp at WR, and OL but we are probably going to say that relative to all 12 opponents we face this year in the regular season (and the opponent in the BT championship game, and 2 playoff games - woo hoo)   Defense DL - Lost some very good talent in the interior of the line but they seem happy with what they have back.  They also seem happy about the defensive ends - top 4 guys... Antonneous Clayton, Jabari Zuniga (started uber hot last year before cooling), Luke Ancrum and CeCe Jefferson.   Antonneous Clayton, Jabari Zuniga, and Luke Ancrum recorded one sack apiece. Clayton had a chance to tack on a couple more but was held back by spring game rules. He was in the backfield all night long. Cece Jefferson, the most experienced of the defensive ends, tied Joseph for the Orange team-high three tackles with 1.5 tackles for a loss. Carbon copy of UM - with losses to the NFL (Anzalone, Davis) they are about 3 deep they feel good about and then they are counting on youngins to flash.  One young guy they got very excited about is RS FR Jeremiah Moon.  Vosean Joseph also impressed. SO David Reese (wrist) didn't play in the spring game but will be a contributor.  So they are excited about these guys in the way we are about Hudson and Bush. “Jeremiah Moon? Pshhh, the guy’s athletic,” said sophomore defensive back Chauncey Gardner. “He’s a freak. Last year we didn’t see it because of the injury, but this year Jeremiah is definitely gonna be a factor. He’s a great player. He can cover, he can also come off the edge and he can also get off blocks. That’s the key playing in the SEC.” DB - Again sounds familiar; a very loaded 2016 defense saw a lot of people depart to the NFL.  "3 of 4 starters gone"  But their understudies are older guys unlike the fresh faces UM is rolling out.  Certainly much more experience back there than UM will have.  At corner Tabor and Quincy Wilson depart, senior Duke Dawson & SO Chauncy Gardner Jr replace them.  Both projected safeties are 5th year seniors - so maybe they are boring in a Jarrod Wilson way but as we say here, boring safeties can be a good thing.  They are adding 6 freshman 'crootz so you imagine 1-2 will be involved in the 2 deep by fall. Tough to tell who is better on paper on defense, especially with almost the entire UM 2 deep rarely being tested in a real game.  Both teams feel like top 20 types when all is said and done.  UM might be a bit more thin (i.e. DT) but that shouldn't come into play in game 1.   Support Staff They are very excited about their support staff. They don't rebuild, they just reload.   One thing I did not know regarding Zaire: The Gators are currently prohibited from taking a grad transfer because of an SEC restriction stemming from 2 previous Florida grad transfers falling short of academic requirements.  The SEC could yet soften that rule, though no change is expected before the SEC spring meetings in a month and a half.
                                Last edited by Jeff Buchanan; April 19, 2017, 05:22 PM.
                                Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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