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[Rocky Bleier]

Hannibal is correct. Izzo and Dantonio will survive. Won't stop recruits from going to MSU. Won't stop fans from supporting MSU. Won't make any difference in the outcomes of MSU's revenue sports.

[THE_WIZARD_]

Okie dokie

[Hannibal]

Nasser is bigger than PSU but PSU was directly related to football. The tie between Nasser and "Football and basketball rape culture" is shaky, at best.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Brian at mgo comes down hard on MSU in a well documented piece that suggests if stones are over-turned, the roach motel that is the MSU Athletic Department will be unmasked.

OK, look, I made the case that I didn't like Izzo's and Dantonio's actions as head coaches at MSU to be conflated with Nassar's. I stand by that position. That's not what Brian is doing in his piece on the mgoblog front page.

I also was very clear that if either of them were found to have violated established school policy with regard to Title IX as it applies to sexual misconduct then, "Katy bar the door." Have at them.

To me, we are in the gray area of reviewing how MSU handled the 16, or whatever number, of cases of alleged sexual misconduct under Title IX. Brian steps into another area altogether in hammering MSU about how MSU, or, more directly Dantonio and Izzo, dealt with athletes who broke the law and were convicted or made plea deals. I think these are different although Brian's point is understood ...... MSU is soft on meeting out punishment when it is due choosing instead to let players play after demonstrating behavior that warrants suspension either under criminal code or Title IX.

If I'm not mistaken, all these 16 cases of sexual misconduct under Title IX, save one or 2 I think, were reviewed by competent authority. I'd have to reasearch and I'm not in the mood so, I'm open to contradiction if this isn' accurate.

The point is, why is it fair to go back and question how these 16 or so cases were dealt with when, at the time they were dealt with it was determined that they were dealt with appropriately. I think the state AG will have to answer that by carefully examining the record. Obviously, if the early findings supporting that the cases were dealt with appropriately are flawed and demonstrate a lack of proper enforcement of Title IX sexual misconduct rules and the process by which they are dealt with, then sure, go get 'em.

I'm just sensitive to due process here and the ability to protect the rights and privacy of Izzo and Dantonio is going to be compromised by the current "#mee-to" environment and the rampant, purposefully titillating pronouncements by the press.

http://mgoblog.com/

[Hannibal]

Was John Engler always this fat?

[The Oracle]

Brian at mgo comes down hard on MSU in a well documented piece that suggests if stones are over-turned, the roach motel that is the MSU Athletic Department will be unmasked.

OK, look, I made the case that I didn't like Izzo's and Dantonio's actions as head coaches at MSU to be conflated with Nassar's. I stand by that position. That's not what Brian is doing in his piece on the mgoblog front page.

I also was very clear that if either of them were found to have violated established school policy with regard to Title IX as it applies to sexual misconduct then, "Katy bar the door." Have at them.

To me, we are in the gray area of reviewing how MSU handled the 16, or whatever number, of cases of alleged sexual misconduct under Title IX. Brian steps into another area altogether in hammering MSU about how MSU, or, more directly Dantonio and Izzo, dealt with athletes who broke the law and were convicted or made plea deals. I think these are different although Brian's point is understood ...... MSU is soft on meeting out punishment when it is due choosing instead to let players play after demonstrating behavior that warrants suspension either under criminal code or Title IX.

If I'm not mistaken, all these 16 cases of sexual misconduct under Title IX, save one or 2 I think, were reviewed by competent authority. I'd have to reasearch and I'm not in the mood so, I'm open to contradiction if this isn' accurate.

The point is, why is it fair to go back and question how these 16 or so cases were dealt with when, at the time they were dealt with it was determined that they were dealt with appropriately. I think the state AG will have to answer that by carefully examining the record. Obviously, if the early findings supporting that the cases were dealt with appropriately are flawed and demonstrate a lack of proper enforcement of Title IX sexual misconduct rules and the process by which they are dealt with, then sure, go get 'em.

I'm just sensitive to due process here and the ability to protect the rights and privacy of Izzo and Dantonio is going to be compromised by the current "#mee-to" environment and the rampant, purposefully titillating pronouncements by the press.

http://mgoblog.com/

Who deemed they were dealt with appropriately?

[The Oracle]

This doesn't seem dealt with....

https://twitter.com/ShawnLMartin/status/958512672567373825/photo/1

[edindetroit]

Disagree. This is bigger than PSU...much.

Friend of mine said the same thing the other day.

[edindetroit]

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[WingsFan]

(Mgoblog)

John Engler's record after his appointment as MSU interim president. Only took 24 hours to have it start blowing up in their face. It is being reported that Engler fought and dismissed the investigation of rape and assault of female inmates in Michigan prisons by guards. The women ended up winning lawsuits against the State of Michigan after years of stonewalling. Sounds like the perfect person to lead MSU now. The incompetence of their trustees shows no limits.

http://www.bridgemi.com/public-sector/msu-interim-president-john-engler-was-dismissive-sexual-assault-claims-governor

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20090716/FREE/907169994/michigan-settles-prison-sexual-abuse-suit-for-100m

[iam416]

If I'm not mistaken, all these 16 cases of sexual misconduct under Title IX, save one or 2 I think, were reviewed by competent authority. I'd have to reasearch and I'm not in the mood so, I'm open to contradiction if this isn' accurate.

The DoE's Office of Civil Rights (OCR) began their investigation of Sparty in 2010. They concluded that, institutionally, they weren't satisfying their Title IX obligations (at least as defined by Obama). OCR has been overseeing Sparty's Title IX compliance since 2014. Sparty asked OCR to give them control back last year at some point, and OCR immediately declined. So: (1) it's clear that the proper governing body has been involved for a long time; (2) it's clear that OCR found Sparty's handling of sexual assault cases problematic; (3) it's clear that OCR dealt with (and continues to deal with) those failures; (4) it's clear that this shit has been known for YEARS; which means (5) the current focus is entirely Nassar-driven even though there isn't a single direct link from Nassar to Izzo/Dantonio.

So, you are correct, Buchanan. And I wouldn't read one fucking word from Brian about Sparty (I similarly declined with a piece on 11W).

The point is, why is it fair to go back and question how these 16 or so cases were dealt with when, at the time they were dealt with it was determined that they were dealt with appropriately.

Again -- exactly.

[Rocky Bleier]

Ouch! That headline is harsh, but true!

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/college-sports/2018/01/90695/if-larry-nassar-was-selling-unlicensed-sparty-tshirts-instead-of-molesting-hundreds-of-girls-MSU-would-have-stopped-him-immediately

[hack]

Two good posts by the bloggers. Institutions and the compliance administrators have their own views of what's good and reasonable, and outcomes may be shaped by some overriding realities. Is what it is. But if the process cannot deliver according to its own goals without violating the sensibilities of masses of people, that's a problem. Without the public's interest and passion there would be nothing of value to brand and monetize. The institutions have to fit the people they serve. It's not on the people to understand the institutions and their constraints. That's neither realistic nor are the institutions willing to be transparent enough to allow people to understand how that sausage is made.

[THE_WIZARD_]

shaddup

[whodean]

How the hell could MSU absolve Nasser for so long?