Hating on the $EC - Mostly Alabama (and a little Georgia too)

[Prime2]

Brady Hoke and Charlie Weis are two of the fattest & biggest conmen in the CFB game today.

It's all about "5-year building plans", hanging around long enough to collect a few seasons of paychecks while their respective programs implode.

Hoke's latest excuse-plagued crap. Hoke has never been an AC or DC over his entire career, 400K at Oregon as their DC, what were they thinking? Hiring him over the phone?

http://www.espn.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/102019/brady-hoke-oregon-defense-start-rebuilding-process-together

Alpha Achievers.

[Dr. Strangelove]

I think Kelly has ND exactly where he wants them, they are in position to stay a top 10 program for awhile.

Swinney and Jimbo have no competition except from each other, ACC after them is poop. Both going forward are going to be there with Saban/Meyer thanks to ACC.

Just FWIW, but a lot of people outside B1G circles basically say the same thing about Harbaugh/Meyer.

[WM Wolverine]

B1G has a lot of poop but not quite as much as the ACC.

[AlabamAlum]

I think the ACC is better than most folks give credit.

FSU, Clemson legit programs.
VaTech is a decent program despite a recent dip
Duke has gotten much better
UNC is cyclical, but can be good.
Miami has a good history. Decent despite some troubles.
Boston College
GaTech
Louisville
NC State


All-in-all, better than what they're credited with

[Mike]

I think the ACC is better than most folks give credit.

FSU, Clemson legit programs.
VaTech is a decent program despite a recent dip
Duke has gotten much better
UNC is cyclical, but can be good.
Miami has a good history. Decent despite some troubles.
Boston College
GaTech
Louisville
NC State


All-in-all, better than what they're credited with

This post did nothing to further your argument.

[Dr. Strangelove]

The ACC lacks a consistent Wisconsin or MSU type of program right now. Not elite but consistently very good. VT used to be that but aren't anymore.

[AlabamAlum]

This post did nothing to further your argument.

Which team specifically?

VaTech?
Miami?
UNC?
Boston College?

All of the above?

[AlabamAlum]

And let me be clear: I personally think the ACC is toward the bottom of P5 conferences, but the gap seems to be closing.

Let Clemson and FSU continue on in their direction and add a decent VaTech or Miami, they're really not a horrible conference.

[AlabamAlum]

AA's P5 conference power ranking:

1. SEC
2. B1G
3. PAC12
4. BigXII
5. ACC

[Dr. Strangelove]

And let me be clear: I personally think the ACC is toward the bottom of P5 conferences, but the gap seems to be closing.

Let Clemson and FSU continue on in their direction and add a decent VaTech or Miami, they're really not a horrible conference.

I mostly agree with you. FSU & Clemson are a strong 1-2. They need a couple other programs to be consistently good. I feel like after the top 2 they have a lot of GT caliber programs that will go 11-3 one year and 4-8 the next.

[Mike]

Which team specifically?

VaTech?
Miami?
UNC?
Boston College?

All of the above?

Yes, with the possible exception of Miami. They are complete irrelevant shit in need of a total transformation. There's more stadium staff at their home games than fans. Richt should get them back to respectability but it will probably take 2-3 years. The rest are Minnesota, Penn State types. BC probably less so.

[AlabamAlum]

VaTech is in the top 20 of win % the past decade.

UNC was 11-3 last year and I believe is headed in the right direction.

From 1999 to 2010, BC was decent. They have fell on hard times of late, though.

[AlabamAlum]

Besides, VaTech beat Ohio State recently. That alone is enough to give them props. Doing the lord's work.

[entropy]

UNL beat OSU recently... Probably not a good example.


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[Cody_Russell]

You forgot Louisville.
Always been a steady program. Now they have an ascending star in Lamar Jackson at QB.
Pay attention at that for the next 3 years.

Virginia will probably get better with Bronco Mendenhall as head coach.