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The guy that does these (Space Coyote) is another poster at mgobog who, in fishing for the good stuff out of that blog, is an outstanding poster. Here's a piece he did from his blog. If you want to understand Don Browns D, this is the place to learn it.
Some footnotes:
It is getting harder and harder to classify a D as a 3 or 4 man front. Most DCs and Brown is one of them, runs multiple fronts and doesn't really have a "base" D.
Seems that D's can be classified in general terms as 1 gap or 2 gap defenses. Both Durkin and Brown run 1 gap defenses.
I liked this: Brown plays his S in cover 4 closer to the LOS than DJD.
The more I study this stuff the more I realize you just cannot get beat at the LOS on D. osu's success (and to a lesser extent IU) had much more to do with getting beat up front than it had to do with Durkin's scheme. I'm not in anyway dismissing scheme but osu's and IU's OL, esp. osu's, manhandled M's DL. That's the prime reason their RBs had so much success.
To that end, you can watch the clips of BC's D in Brown's schemes and see BC's front pretty much beating blocks. You beat blocks, get lots of helmets to the point of attack, you win, scheme or not. Pretty simple. This is especially true in the clips of BC's D v. spread/RO teams:
Last edited by Jeff Buchanan; December 22, 2015, 11:04 AM.Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.
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Originally posted by Jeff Buchanan View PostThe guy that does these (Space Coyote) is another poster at mgobog who, in fishing for the good stuff out of that blog, is an outstanding poster. Here's a piece he did from his blog. If you want to understand Don Browns D, this is the place to learn it.
Some footnotes:
It is getting harder and harder to classify a D as a 3 or 4 man front. Most DCs and Brown is one of them, runs multiple fronts and doesn't really have a "base" D.
Seems that D's can be classified in general terms as 1 gap or 2 gap defenses. Both Durkin and Brown run 1 gap defenses.
I liked this: Brown plays his S in cover 4 closer to the LOS than DJD.
The more I study this stuff the more I realize you just cannot get beat at the LOS on D. osu's success (and to a lesser extent IU) had much more to do with getting beat up front than it had to do with Durkin's scheme. I'm not in anyway dismissing scheme but osu's and IU's OL, esp. osu's, manhandled M's DL. That's the prime reason their RBs had so much success.
To that end, you can watch the clips of BC's D in Brown's schemes and see BC's front pretty much beating blocks. You beat blocks, get lots of helmets to the point of attack, you win, scheme or not. Pretty simple. This is especially true in the clips of BC's D v. spread/RO teams:
http://breakdownsports.blogspot.com/...ordinator.html
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Originally posted by hack View PostWin at the LOS. It's ALWAYS been that way. It's not that simple, but it's a baseline.
While that's done at M, it's pretty obvious how damn long it takes to reverse trends of three previous coaching regimes who missed on talented recruits ..... IOW, it's the jimmys and the joes less than the Xs and Os right now that's keeping JH from getting to the elite level.
That shouldn't be anything anyone who is watching doesn't know. I'll be the first to admit that I tend to overvalue coaching and undervalue talent. I'll be working on that.Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.
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Not to drag it into basketball, but control the key is the equivalent to win at the LOS. It's beyond me why you'd hire any coach that doesn't stress controlling the key. Much less giving him a long extension after he flamed out for very predictable reasons.
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A lot of Michigan's problems with the read option was bad reads by the backers and too much overpursuit. I said it after the Minnesota game that they were lucky that the QB didn't have a bigger game because there were a few runs where he could kept it and gained a lot of yardage. It is important to note that the aggressive flow in the defense can benefit you if a team can't or won't runs plays against flow to punish that.
In a general sense you do want to win at the LOS, and I'm certain going forward that's their goal. But gap responsibility and keeping contain can go a long way.
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It boils down to discipline. The read option eats up overly aggressive, pursuit-happy defenses (See: Alabama vs Ohio State last year, Auburn in 2010, and Ole Miss this year).
It also makes coaches who like to sub a lot change to a more versatile base D (See: Saban, Nick his entire coaching career)."The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln
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Yeah ..... it's never just one thing. You bring up a good point about over pursuit. You saw that against osu too, guys at LB just taking themselves of the play.
One of the things that Brown seems to do differently than Durkin is to keep his LBs in a read and read mode. It sounds wrong and not consistent with his be aggressive philosophy but there's that gap responsibility and contain thing looming large out there. He seems to stress that and, from what we saw with Durkin and his LB unit that he coached, while they were aggressive, they'd over pursue just like you're noting. How many times did we see Bolden or Morgan get jobbed because they weren't in position to make the play. Gap responsibility ignored big time.Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.
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It reminds me of watching teams play against Bama in the late 70's when we ran the wishbone. Three guys would converge on Steadman Shealy (the Bama QB), and he'd pitch it at the last minute to Major Ogilvie or Billy Jackson for a big gain."The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln
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Originally posted by AlabamAlum View PostIt reminds me of watching teams play against Bama in the late 70's when we ran the wishbone. Three guys would converge on Steadman Shealy (the Bama QB), and he'd pitch it at the last minute to Major Ogilvie or Billy Jackson for a big gain.I feel like I am watching the destruction of our democracy while my neighbors and friends cheer it on
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Originally posted by CGVT View PostWho the hell gives a shit about Bama in the 70s?
Let me ask you this: Have you ever heard the tale of the '82 Liberty Bowl? It's a tale of courage, determination, and cunning and it will serve to enrich and edify you. It is a gift that I will give you. You've only to ask..."The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln
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Originally posted by CGVT View PostIt's because it's all they have...
Late 70's Bama is all we have? You're right, of course. Except for the 4 NCs since then. Other than that, not much. Well, a bunch of 10-win seasons and a number of conference championships. Other than that, zip. Zilch. Nada."The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln
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