B1G/NCAA basketball

[hack]

Good question. I don't have an answer to the degree of specificity you are looking for, but I'd like to know too now that you mention it.

[Mackenzie]

I have tried to google the question and most responses just say that in the last minute of play the clock stops after a made basket. However, I have found several mentions of the phrase "through the basket" which makes me think the clock stops when the ball clears the netting.

[hack]

That would be my sense, but yes - no easy answer from Google, I agree.

[*JD*]

Never count on Wisky to make a tourney run. They are built to play well in the B1G season and that's it. It beats the horrific program they had for most of the post-WWII era, and Bo Ryan's done a great job, but that's all they will probably ever be.

Wisky, Georgetown, Pitt. Count on those teams to go out early every year. And they all play a similar style of ball.

Pretty good call there.

BTW- Tubby's gone & Hack's boy Flip Saunders is being rumored to replace him.

[hack]

It does seem that, unlike OSU or MSU, Wisconsin has a smaller margin for error. But then again they don't have any talent either.

[hack]

Pretty good call there.

BTW- Tubby's gone & Hack's boy Flip Saunders is being rumored to replace him.

I am trying so damn hard not to think about Flip Saunders. John Beilein makes that difficult. There's simply no excuse for approaching basketball without heeding defense and paint scoring, and both of them do that. Beilein's more flexible, though, and seems to be more open to adjusting as he goes and understanding the effort and toughness angle. Flip is just fucking clueless.

I FUCKING HATE FLIP SAUNDERS.

[Dr. Strangelove]

To quote Wilbon from today's PTI: Who the hell does Minnesota think they are?

I mean for crying out loud, they gave Dan Monson EIGHT YEARS.

Maybe the biggest knock on Tubby is that his B1G record wasn't good. There's probably a Glen Mason comparison to be made there (and I supported firing Mason) but geez. He never had a losing record and just won a nice upset in the tourney.

Now I read articles saying their top targets are Shaka Smart and Flip Saunders. One, Shaka Smart is DELUSIONAL and two, Flip Saunders is AWFUL! I mean come on...how many times does this turd have to fail to stop getting plum jobs?? Does the Minn AD think kids will jump at the chance to play for this perennial loser?

[Whitley]

Flip's approach probably works better in college though. After all, there are not a lot teams out there in this day and age that have the capability of scoring a lot of points. If you can score then you are going to put a lot of pressure on teams that just don't have the firepower.

[hack]

Certainly not in the Big Ten. Michigan's season just proved that.

[WM Wolverine]

Wisky wins games because they out rebound, out hustle their opponents and they usually take good care of the ball. You don't see Wisconsin give up 10 offensive rebounds in a game very often. In the tourney when everyone is hustling, their effort advantage is negated.

Very much like the typical MSU but less talented and not as gifted as athletes at the pg, sg, sf positions.

[hack]

I don't understand it. I mean, yeah -- you can see teams that live off effort without talent flame out when the effort level goes up, but you'd think that they'd be good for at least a few wins based on ambushing someone unsuspecting. They are really good at what they do.

[entropy]

Recruiting, McDermott decision Creighton concerns
By ERIC OLSON, AP Sports Writer
Updated 4:17 pm, Monday, March 25, 2013


OMAHA, Neb. (AP) — The hard work is just beginning for Creighton coach Greg McDermott and his staff.

The Bluejays' players flew home shortly after closing their school's Missouri Valley Conference era with a loss to Duke in the NCAA tournament in Philadelphia. McDermott and some of his assistants stayed behind to begin preparing for life in the Big East.

Their first recruiting target reportedly is the top high school player in New York City. So much for driving the back roads of the upper Midwest looking for the best players who don't go to power-conference programs.

Whether the Bluejays actually sign Jon Severe is another matter altogether. The fact is New York state's Mr. Basketball is willing to consider the Bluejays. Recruited heavily by Pittsburgh and other eastern schools, Severe probably wouldn't have opened the door if McDermott were trying to sell him on a mid-major from the middle of the country.

So begins the transition to the Big East and the questions that come with it.

Will McDermott be able to successfully mine new recruiting areas for Big East-caliber players?

Will the Bluejays go into their new league with national player-of-the-year finalist Doug McDermott or will he skip his senior season and declare for the NBA draft?

Can the Bluejays be a factor immediately in the Big East after being the Missouri Valley's dominant program for a decade?

The Bluejays will lose two starters — three if Doug McDermott leaves — from the team beaten 65-53 by Duke on Sunday. Coach McDermott said his program is well-positioned for the move up in conferences after setting a school record with 57 wins the past two seasons.

"As I told the guys in the locker room, 50 years from now, long after I'm gone, they're going to be able to tell their grandkids that they're a big reason Creighton moved to the Big East," he said. "Without the success of our program the last few years and the unbelievable attendance that we have, which is in the top five or six in the country, I'm not sure the Big East takes as serious a look at us as they have."

Creighton had a six-game win streak end against Duke and finished 28-8, one victory short of the program record set in 2002-03 and 2011-12. The Bluejays were No. 22 in the final Top 25.

They swept the regular-season and tournament titles on their way out of the Missouri Valley but fell short of their preseason goal of advancing to the Sweet 16 for the first time in school history. It was the second straight year the Bluejays lost in the round of 32.

"It's a tough way to go out," Doug McDermott said. "We thought we could put up a little better fight. But it doesn't take away from these last two years. They've been incredible, both NCAA wins. I don't think a Creighton team has done that in history back-to-back years."

Doug McDermott was Missouri Valley player of the year two straight years and a possible repeat first-team All-American after averaging 23.2 points a game, second-best in the nation, and shooting 49 percent on 3-pointers.

Gregory Echenique, the 6-foot-9, 260-pound senior center who showed up at Creighton three years ago well over 300 pounds, played his best ball at the end of the season. He dominated the conference tournament, was named to the league's all-defensive team three straight years and more than held his own against Duke's Mason Plumlee.

Gibbs was able to score when needed but made his mark as a playmaker, averaging 5.8 assists against just two turnovers a game.

"Grant Gibbs has played through more adversity than anybody I've ever coached in terms of injuries and things that have happened to his body," Greg McDermott said, "yet he refuses to not be involved in practice, refuses to miss a game."

The Bluejays will return their starting point guard in Austin Chatman and one of their best defenders in guard Jahenns Manigat.

They figure to be a strong perimeter-shooting team again with the return of Avery Dingman and 3-point specialist Ethan Wragge.

The 6-foot-11, 230-pound Will Artino, who spelled Echenique with no drop-off on the offensive end, figures to anchor the inside game.

Between now and next January will be much speculation about where Creighton fits into the new Big East, which also added Butler and Xavier to the so-called Catholic 7.

A lot of it depends on whether Doug McDermott stays in school. He has until April 28 to decide, and he has indicated he won't rush the decision.

"It's a decision I think that's just going to hit me," he said. "At some moment, I'll know what I'm going to do, but I have no idea when that might be."

[iam416]

I like M to edge KU.

I think Indiana will barely get by Syracuse.

I think Duke will get MSU (I think MSU will have a couple spells of offensive issues that will doom them).

I don't have a feel for OSU-Arizona at all. I don't think Arizona is a 6-seed at all. They beat Florida at home and ran Miami by 20 on a neutral court. They also lost thrice to UCLA and even lost to USC, a team UNL destroyed. They haven't played anyone in the tourney, but they've blown out both teams. They're a good 3P shooting team. Bah.

It will come down to Thomas, Craft and Ross. If those guys play well, I like OSU's chances. If one of them is off, not so much.

[hack]

Why do you like Michigan over Kansas?

I think we'll see Indiana stronger this weekend. Agreed re Duke. I think you'll take Arizona.

[iam416]

I think the odds are that M plays a touch better. As I said in M thread, I think KU's top end game is better than M's, but I think M is a more consistent team and able to produce better performances in the "fat part of the bell curve". I think it less likely than not that KU delivers a top 10% sort of game. If they do, there's nothing M can do, but I don't think it happens. So, I'll take M by a hair.