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PSU in the Big East makes the Big East a lot stronger, along with of course Miami, VT, BC, WV, etc. I think the Big East (w/ PSU) might be the one plucking from the ACC instead of just the opposite. Maryland, Virginia could've easily be in the hypothetical Big East along with potentially FSU.
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The Big East didn't invite Penn State when they had the chance. Again, alignment of interest. It was always a basketball conference, and they didn't have the long-term vision soon enough to understand it had to be a football conference to keep its football members.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.Comment
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In a tent full of blind men, the one-eyed Delaney...Comment
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I have said for years that when Penn State joined the Big Ten instead of the Big East, it was bad, overall, for college football, because Penn State was a more natural fit for that conference, and they had some good rivalries over there (Pitt and WVU), Miami-PSU would have made a really good one. They were frequently playing eastern teams well before they played Big Ten teams. The only solid rivalry that they formed in the Big Ten is with OSU. The attempt to manufacture one with MSU was a failure. In the meantime, Penn State created a major scheduling problem with teams like Wisconsin and Northwestern winning the Big Ten without having played a team that was clearly better than them.Comment
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Whether PSU to the B10 was bad for CFB or not, in the late 80s when the Big East said "no" it was because they sucked horribly at hoops. It was an alignment of interest problem. Half the Big East (and the Commish) wanted PSU. The core C7 schools said no. Total failure.
The Big East would have held, IMO, with PSU. And then Miami, VT and WV. They might have even been able to make a play for FSU and ultimately made it to a CG. But that wasn't what the hoops schools wanted. And now they have a perfect hoops-only conference that actually makes sense and is very secure.
I have zero problem with what happened to the Big East. They've now fully embraced what they always were -- a hoops conference.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.Comment
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I wasn't aware that the Big East had a good chance. That was pretty stupid. It does make some sense to turn down a great basketball school with shit football (e.g. North Carlina or Syracuse), but it makes less sense to turn down a football monolith like Penn State.Comment
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From a Syracuse retrospective:
After only two years of existence as a conference formed specifically for men's basketball, football became an issue. Joe Paterno, head football coach and then Director of Athletics at Penn State, had been trying to put together an all-sports conference of the eastern Division IA independent schools. They included Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, West Virginia and Temple. While our football fortunes would be well served through such an alignment, it would have been a step backward for men's basketball. To enter into such an alignment Syracuse and Boston College would have had to leave the BIG EAST. With the reluctance of B.C. and Syracuse to do so, Penn State then asked for membership in the BIG EAST. This was a turning point in the Conferences history. If Penn State was accepted, our football would be protected. If Penn State was rejected, B.C. and Syracuse might have no other option but to leave the BIG EAST, and join together with the other Eastern independents. To expand membership in The BIG EAST Conference six affirmative votes were necessary. The vote was 5-3. Instead of taking Penn State, we invited Pittsburgh as the ninth member. At that time Pittsburgh and Penn State were bitter rivals, and Pittsburgh was less than enamored with aligning itself with Penn State. Pitt's membership in the BIG EAST, along with B.C. and Syracuse, checkmated Penn State's eastern all-sports conference, and gave the Conference one more Division IA school. This football issue nearly caused the premature demise of the BIG EAST. Clearly, three schools in the BIG EAST had no concept of the importance of football, but the others realized that this decision not to invite Penn State would come back to haunt us. In fact, football would dictate every future consideration of membership expansion of our "basketball" conference.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.Comment
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What a shame.
A conference with Miami, Penn State, Va Tech, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, West Virginia, and Boston College would have had some good charm to it. Now we've got WVU in the Big 12 and Rutgers and Maryland in the Big 10, with Johns Hopkins soon to follow.Comment
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not sure Pitt would have been in the group if PSU joined.. but I bet FSU would have joined.
that is a pretty good conference.Grammar... The difference between feeling your nuts and feeling you're nuts.Comment
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So Pitt blocked Penn State from joining a conference that ended up crumbling and Penn State settled for joining the richest one. Boy those Panthers sure showed them!Comment
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Well maybe they are at fault to a degree but I have a big poblem with losing G'town/Syracuse.Comment
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They can play OOC, no it won't have any conference title implications but no rivalry is sacred in college realignment/expansion...
PSU was correct in wanting a Big East football conference with Syracuse, Boston College, Rutgers, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Miami, etc. That region might care more about college football if PSU was in that conference for the past 20+ years. ND might've even wanted to join that conference as they'd get games all along Boston to DC.Comment
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That's precisely my point -- that no rivalry is sacred. What is sacred instead? Something that we as fans don't get any benefits from. It sucks.Comment
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$ is sacred.Comment
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I wasn't asking the question because I didn't know the answer.Comment
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