All Things Notre Dame - The Clashmore Mike Memorial Thread

[geo weidl]

Good luck against bama Clash. (no sarcasm)

[hack]

Hate that it's them and not us, but there's no way I'm rooting for the SEC team in that game...

[Clashmore Mike]

Coulda been. Who knows? I'll just say that last year's game was decided by luck whereas this year Borges prevented Michigan from being able to be lucky.

Fair enough...don't have any illusions about changing minds here...just not going to sit back and let my team get kicked around...

...correction, my 12-0, #1, BCS Championship bound team get kicked around.

:-)

Agreed about your QBs. I've assumed that Kelly's a screamer who screams and switches QBs to the detriment of the overall plan, but obviously it's worked for him this year.

Kelly is definitely a screamer...he just had to learn the hard way that sideline antics at ND don't fly the way they do at Cinci & CMU. But I think a coach can be a screamer as long as he is as intense in his praise as he is in his dressing down.

There's a clip here of him screaming at the team at half-time this season at State. To spare yourself from the ND hype, just go to the 1:25 mark...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=765Ou5yocMI"]ICON MSU Game Day - Notre Dame Football - YouTube[/ame]


There was another game last year (Purdue maybe?) when I clearly remember Kelly blowing his top on our young Safety Austin Collinsworth, when the kid tried to play the ball when he clearly should have played his man and got burned. Kelly pulled him and tore him to pieces on the sideline. Later in the game, Collinsworth made a fairly spectacular break on a receiver and broke up the pass preventing a 3rd down conversion...as the defense was coming off the field, Kelly was running onto it...straight to Collinsworth to give him a high-five and hug...with a huge smile on his face.

[Clashmore Mike]

Good luck against bama Clash. (no sarcasm)

Thank you. (no sarcasm)


:-)

[hack]

Dunno, Clash. A 12-0 #1BCS team probably should be expected to score more than 13 points in a game in which they were the beneficiary of 6 turnovers and had a turnover margin of +4. All the carping about the Stanford call might be considered being kicked around, but not the lamenting this year's ND loss or feeling like ND was not necessarily the better team on that day. You have ``scoreboard'', so you can point to that I guess. But I would never point to ``scoreboard'' in defense of Michigan's win over ND last year because that would be a gross oversimplification of things, and I would hope to discuss any other game on that basis too. I consider Michigan lucky to have won last year and ND lucky to have won this year.

[WingsFan]

Less than five minutes after Alabama defeated Georgia, 32-28, in the SEC Championship Game Saturday, the Wynn Las Vegas sports book re-opened Alabama as a 10-point favorite against Notre Dame in the BCS National Championship Game.


I think ND could hang for a while if they take a early lead. No way St Nick loses this game though.

[Pasadena Blue]

I think ND will actually pull this out, but for the first time in my life I will be pulling for Satan.

[Clashmore Mike]

Dunno, Clash. A 12-0 #1BCS team probably should be expected to...

Right…the “probably should be expected”…criteria. Lots of college football arguments have been raised using that standard. I don’t know of any that have been settled.

I can tell you what probably should not be expected of a 12-0, #1 BCS team…

It probably should not be expected:

• To have lost ten games in the preceding two seasons.
• To have been unranked in the pre-season.
• To have a first time starting (RS) freshman at QB.
• To have played nine straight bowl teams to start the season.

In other words, there is pretty much nothing that was expected in Notre Dame going 12-0 and being ranked #1. Given that this team has pretty much exceeded every possible expectation anyone and everyone had, I don’t believe that it now needs to be defended from the retrospect expectations of rival fans.

You have ``scoreboard'', so you can point to that I guess. But I would never point to ``scoreboard'' in defense of Michigan's win over ND last year because that would be a gross oversimplification of things, and I would hope to discuss any other game on that basis too. I consider Michigan lucky to have won last year and ND lucky to have won this year.

The term “scoreboard” can be used as an inflammatory snub. I did not intend to use it that way. I used it as a short-hand means to point out that Notre Dame actually won the football game, after a couple hours of debating the same topic. I’ve written paragraph after paragraph detailing my arguments, only to deal with one or two line responses that just repeat the same refuted points using different language.

My points describe what happened on the field. Your (and I’m speaking to all you guys) points are generally based on two arguments.

1) You describe theoreticals that you wish happened so you can imagine a different outcome. (Our QB made bad decisions…our offensive coordinator called the wrong plays…we should have played our back-up QB…the staff put us in a bad position with a poor game plan…etc.).

2) You attribute the events of the game to variables that cannot be either proven or disproven (lucky…unlucky…bounces…fluke…etc.).

Either way, the reviewable, observed events that actually transpired on the field of play will always trump the above, hence my intended use of "scoreboard".

Also, again for the record, you never had to use “scoreboard” to defend Michigan because I’ve never come back after a loss and tried to argue that Notre Dame really should have won.

[Clashmore Mike]

Less than five minutes after Alabama defeated Georgia, 32-28, in the SEC Championship Game Saturday, the Wynn Las Vegas sports book re-opened Alabama as a 10-point favorite against Notre Dame in the BCS National Championship Game.


I think ND could hang for a while if they take a early lead. No way St Nick loses this game though.

I know it opened at ten, most of the lines I see now are between 7.5 & 9. We knew that was coming. Have been the underdog most of the season.

[UMStan White]

"I’ve written paragraph after paragraph detailing my arguments, only to deal with one or two line responses that just repeat the same refuted points using different language."

What did you expect coming from "I don't know Jack Hack"?

[hack]

If Stan's right about one thing, whether by accident or not, it's that the many paragraphs aren't all that necessary. I'm saying that it's reasonable for Michigan fans to think they could have and should have won, unlike last year, when Michigan won but shouldn't have. You could have just yes/no'd that question.

[WM Wolverine]

Ready to just mark this discussion as dead until ND losses to Bama.

[Sanders Fan]

I know it opened at ten, most of the lines I see now are between 7.5 & 9. We knew that was coming. Have been the underdog most of the season.

From what I've seen of Alabama, I think ND can take them. We'll play them better than Georgia did, I'm almost certain.

[Clashmore Mike]

If Stan's right about one thing, whether by accident or not, it's that the many paragraphs aren't all that necessary. I'm saying that it's reasonable for Michigan fans to think they could have and should have won, unlike last year, when Michigan won but shouldn't have. You could have just yes/no'd that question.

No.

[Clashmore Mike]

Ready to just mark this discussion as dead until ND losses to Bama.

???

I suppose that if Notre Dame loses by 27+ points the "common opponent" argument will tip in Michigan's favor...