If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.
If you are having difficulty logging in, please REFRESH the page and clear your browser cache and try again.
If you still can't get logged in, please try using Microsoft Edge, Google Chrome, Firefox, Opera, or Safari to login. Also be sure you are using the latest version of your browser. Internet Explorer has not been updated in over seven years and will no longer work with the Forum software. Thanks
Liney, you’ve stood by me for years when I’ve pissed off everybody on this forum…and for that I’m sincerely grateful. The last thing I want to do is dump on my biggest, and sometimes only benefactor on this forum. But I need to be honest here. When you mix your expertise in officiating with statements like this…
Make the ball carrier a Stanford player, and the defender a ND player. What's the call?
...and this...
These must have been Big East officials. ND used to use B1G officials for home games, but decided they weren't getting a fair shake, and fired them. Oh well.
…you disparage both your own position and the integrity of the profession. Just so you know, this was a PAC 12 crew. Now the replay official in the booth may have been Big East, but certainly you aren’t asserting that, if there is a bias, that the Big East is about to twist things to favor ND in light of last month’s news…are you? Regardless, if there is a bias, calls on the field woulda/coulda/shoulda been biased towards Stanford.
First #601: The Stanford player's head is out front because that's how human beings are constructed.
Not true…some human beings have their head stuck up their ass…
:-)
Secondly his shoulder on the opposite side is lining up for the blow, and is not leading with his head…
Too bad the official who called the penalty didn’t have a view of the opposite side. This kid should have been more aware of his surroundings…again, he took a chance and didn’t get away with it.
Third, he's leaning down, because the QB is going down. Fourth.. the QB isn't down yet, its still a live play.
There has been a lot of heartburn across the board about this rule. Helmet-to-helmet, concussions, brain damaged players, etc. are the hottest topics in football right now. That is a national issue in both the college and pro games…not a Notre Dame specific issue. Again, it’s clear from the opposite side that this was not a helmet-to-helmet hit. I know that. I know that by the letter of the law, this was a questionable call. At the same time, I think it’s both biased and unfair for you (or anyone else) to flippantly attribute this to some kind of ND conspiracy…if you have a complaint, take it up with the PC crowd. Otherwise, I'm taking this to task...
Here is Golson wrapped up by Chase Thomas (excellent LB by the way), with two Stanford defenders over four yards away bearing down. They are playing perfect defense with one holding contain and the other inside.
A few frames later. Here we see Golson facing his own endzone, still wrapped up by Thomas and without his legs underneath him. He’s twisting and trying to maximize yardage…stupid young QB. Certainly the play is still live, but he’s obviously going down. One of the Stanford defenders is starting to pull up, the other is continuing on full bore. There is still at least two full yards separating them.
A few frames later. Golson is almost horizontal still wrapped up by Thomas. He’s got his arm out to break his fall. One defender has almost stopped, while the other continues on full bore. Note that his head is still up with his eyes on Golson.
A few frames later. Money shot. The Stanford defender hasn’t let up at all. He’s lowered his head/helmet…there isn’t a rational argument in the world that can state with any credibility that (from this angle), this kid isn’t leading with his helmet. Note that the “inside” Stanford defender hasn’t advanced more than a foot in the last three pictures.
Every college football fan in the country has been infuriated by these rules…when and where a DE get called for roughing the passer, even though it looks like he tried to hold up at the last second…the same thing happens on the sidelines where a safety flying at a receiver makes contact a couple of mili-seconds after the receiver puts a foot out-of-bounds. I know and agree that a lot of these calls are tic-tac and/or questionable. They are completely subjective…but if we know that, the players sure as fuck know it…including this Stanford player. He was smart enough not to actually make helmet-to-helmet contact, but he very clearly delivered a blow to the head and as such, he was playing with fire…as evidenced by his team-mate showing the ability to hold up…as evidenced by the audible crack of the hit and the snapping of Golson’s head…as evidenced by very audible hush that swept over the crowd.
The Stanford player tried walking the razor’s edge, and got cut. It’s really that simple.
#603: From that angle you can't determine if contact is being made from behind, before the ball got there. Looks to me like the defender may have gotten there just as the ball got there, and slapped it away. If so, its legal.
Ok…a few frames earlier should put this one to bed. The ball clearly hasn’t gotten there and Toma’s left are is clearly being interfered with.
#604: You may have a legit beef, considering that looking behind the play and seeing what appears to be the HL looking at the ball carrier, instead of his feet. Its his job to pick that up. If he's OOB, then there should have been a whistle, and the play was dead at that point.
No kidding...we got fucked by the officials too. The whole point of this 72 hours of nit-picking is to point out that Stanford got their share of breaks as well…apparently that is asking too much of B1G fans to acknowledge when Notre Dame is involved. I don’t expect you guys to rejoice…but God Damn…I would rather you not be willfully blind either.
#605:You have the mechanics wrong. The side judge DOES have responsibility to COME IN on a close play at the goal line, or any other play where a close call is required. Wing officials ABSOLUTELY should come running in, even if there has been no whistle yet, to make sure they have located the ball...
So you're saying that the PAC 12 side judge, with the best view in the house (that isn’t available to you and I) ran in to make sure that he got the call correct…and then didn’t signal touchdown? I can accept that…you’re right and I’m wrong.
Tweet
Comment