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  • Originally posted by WM Wolverine View Post
    Kids 'love' the uniform changes, that's is worthy of enough to play in an alternative jersey or two each season; provided they don't look horrendous like the 'retro' ND jerseys.
    Kids may say that they love the uniform changes, but they also love tradition, charm, identity, and the confidence that their playing days are going to mean something. I don't think that the kids have the wisdom to realize that clown-ass uniforms and tradition are mutually exclusive. The exception would be Oregon, who, as the first-mover in this shitty trend, established their identity as being the juvenile attention whores with clown suits. That hasn't worked for anyone else. Arizona State, Missouri, Maryland -- they went from crappy programs to crappy programs with clown suits.

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    • Originally posted by Hannibal View Post
      Kids may say that they love the uniform changes, but they also love tradition, charm, identity, and the confidence that their playing days are going to mean something. I don't think that the kids have the wisdom to realize that clown-ass uniforms and tradition are mutually exclusive. The exception would be Oregon, who, as the first-mover in this shitty trend, established their identity as being the juvenile attention whores with clown suits. That hasn't worked for anyone else. Arizona State, Missouri, Maryland -- they went from crappy programs to crappy programs with clown suits.

      Read the survey that they filled out and you'll see what they like.

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      • The kids like the alternative uniforms. The Alumni don't.
        "in order to lead America you must love America"

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        • Originally posted by lineygoblue View Post
          The kids like the alternative uniforms. The Alumni don't.
          So the kids decide, then, right? I know you too we'll to believe that's your take on this. Good time for an off season discussion on this .......

          Tradition is important in our culture. Its important in familes. It's important in the culture of CFB despite the efforts of marketeers to make us believe it isn't with these constant uniform changes, the purpose of which is to increase sales of football clothing.

          I'd offer that part of the reason for the increase in poor behavior in our schools and on the streets is a result of the loss of community anchoring. Part of that loss is attributable to the increase in one parent households, the lack of male mentoring, lack of self discipline and a generalized lack of respect for traditions.

          There are places where self discipline can be nurtured and participation in athletics is an excellent opportunity for that. This isn't new to anyone reading this but my point is that it's easy to allow forces to chip away at important things that under pin the benefits of organized sports. Likewise it's important to advocate for them. THE Michigan football helmet and uniform is one of them. It would behoove Dave Brandon to respect that above his relentless pursuit of $$$.
          Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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          • 9) Do you like how many jersey changes Michigan has had over the past two seasons?

            Yes -- 17
            No -- 1
            Don't care -- 5


            12) What was the most important thing to you during your recruitment? (commits could answer more than one if applicable)

            Coaches -- 9
            Academics -- 9
            Family atmosphere -- 7
            Tradition -- 1
            Overall fit -- 1
            I'll let you ban hate speech when you let me define hate speech.

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            • Originally posted by Hannibal View Post
              Kids may say that they love the uniform changes, but they also love tradition, charm, identity, and the confidence that their playing days are going to mean something. I don't think that the kids have the wisdom to realize that clown-ass uniforms and tradition are mutually exclusive. The exception would be Oregon, who, as the first-mover in this shitty trend, established their identity as being the juvenile attention whores with clown suits. That hasn't worked for anyone else. Arizona State, Missouri, Maryland -- they went from crappy programs to crappy programs with clown suits.

              Kids also love to adhere a gazillion pounds of metal and several buckets of paint onto their bodies (ok so I'm exagerrating a bit). Wait a minute, that not just kids. Never mind!

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              • Regarding kids valuing "academics".... Wonder if that include kids valuing those programs which, in fact, have minumum academic standards, bullshit majors, people to do their work for them, limited expectations to attend class, etc. Just saying the door may swing both ways.

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                • Yeah,I usually call bullcrap when a kid says he picked a school for academics. Unless, as you say, he means the easy courses and low expectations.
                  I'll let you ban hate speech when you let me define hate speech.

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                  • Remember these are just Michigan's recruits that filled out this survey. So I'm sure they have place a little more importance on academics than say......OSU's recruits.

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                    • Jeff: Just for clarity .. this is my view on "alternative" uniforms.

                      1. The traditional uniforms must stay as they are.

                      2. I have no problem with "alternative" uniforms being used ONCE per year, to perhaps commemorate an anniversary, or honor a player or group of past players, etc.

                      3. If it doesn't meet condition 2, then condition 1 applies. In fact, if I were king, we'd send all Michigan uniforms for all sports back to what they looked like in the 70's. With the exception of Hockey, which would be allowed to keep their winged helmets.
                      "in order to lead America you must love America"

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                      • Lately we've done an 'alternative' twice a year; one road, one home. Correct?

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                        • Last year we did two alternates, Alabama and the bowl game. The year prior we did three alternates, ND, MSU, and the sugar bowl.

                          We have worn at least 9 uniforms in the past two years.
                          To be a professional means that you don't die. - Takeru "the Tsunami" Kobayashi

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                          • Lines .... We agree.

                            I've never liked highliter yellow. The link below does a nice job of picturing the history of M uniforms. I don't think the flashy yellow turned up until 1990. It's hard to tell exactly what year the maze pants were abandoned but they were obvious in the 70s. We've never, ever had a true throwback uniform and you can see in this anthology how frigging stupid the jailbreak jerseys looked when they were worn. Just awful. I'd like to see a real throw back, 70s uniform appear, then keep it that way.

                            ~Michigan Football Uniform Timeline~ Scroll down for a timeline of Michigan football team uniform changes. Notes are restricted to helmet, jersey, and pants changes but include variations of colors, designs, patches, decals, logos, etc.   For the Michigan Helmet Stickers Catalog, click here. For historical uniform changes follow the links by era: 2020-Current > scroll down | 2015-2019 > Click here | 2010-2014 > Click here | 2000-2009 > Click here | 1990-1999 > Click here | 1980-1989 > Click here | 1970-1979 > Click here | 1940-1969 > Click here | 1867-1939 > Click here October 26, 2024 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Michigan State JERSEY/PANTS: Team wears traditional blue (home) jersey, with maize pants (with white socks/sleeves): October 19, 2024 | Champaign, IL | at Illinois JERSEY/PANTS: Team wears white (road) jersey, with blue pants (with white socks/sleeves): October 5, 2024 | Seattle, WA | at Washington JERSEY/PANTS: Team wears white (road) jersey, with maize pants (with white socks/sleeves): HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #1008 (vs. Minnesota 9/28/2024), with a silhouette Little Brown Jug trophy logo. Includes variations for game/unit MVP honors. September 28, 2024 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Minnesota JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the traditional home blue/maize jersey & pants combination (with maize socks/sleeves). HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #1007 (vs. USC 9/21/2024), including variations for game/unit MVP honors. September 21, 2024 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Southern California (USC) JERSEY/PANTS: Michigan wears blue jersey, blue pants and maize socks/sleeves. HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #1006 (vs. Arkansas State 9/14/2024), including variations for game/unit MVP honors. HELMET: The team adds a ‘B1G’ Big Ten Conference logo sticker at the back base of the helmet: September 14, 2024 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Arkansas State JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the traditional home blue/maize jersey & pants combination (with blue socks). HELMET: The team wears a special sticker, in the shape of a heart with a stylized letter ‘G’ to honor the passing of Greg Harden, the longtime student-athlete personal development counselor. September 7, 2024 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Texas JERSEY/PANTS: Michigan wears blue jersey, blue pants and blue socks/sleeves. HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #1005 (vs. Fresno State 8/31/2024), including variations for game/unit MVP honors. August 31, 2024 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Fresno State JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the traditional home blue/maize jersey & pants combination (with blue socks). HELMET: Certain positions/players wear the new high green NCAA ‘C2P’ (Coach to Player) sticker, indicating the helmets which are equipped with a communication device to allow certain players to communicate with staff: April 20, 2024 | Ann Arbor, MI | Spring Football Game HELMET: The team is awarded a stylized decal with the College Football Playoff logo for all-time program win #1004 (vs. Washington in the CFP National Championship 1/8/2024). January 8, 2024 | Houston, TX | College Football Playoff National Championship vs. Washington Note: As the higher seed, Michigan is designated as the home team. JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears blue jersey, blue pants with blue sleeves/socks for the game. CFP logo inside ‘2024’ is placed on the left chest above the Nike Jumpman logo: HELMET: The team is awarded a stylized decal with the Rose Bowl logo for all-time program win #1003 (vs. Alabama in the Rose Bowl, CFP Semi-Final 1/1/2024). January 1, 2024 | Pasadena, CA | The Rose Bowl, College Football Playoff Semi-Final vs. Alabama Note: As the higher seed, Michigan is designated as the home team.JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears (home) blue jersey, maize pants with white socks/sleeves. Details: HELMET: The team wears a large CFP logo sticker on the back middle of the helmet: HELMET: The team is awarded a stylized decal in the shape of the silver football atop the Big Ten Championship Trophy (including the B1G logo) for all-time program win #1002 (vs. Iowa in the Big Ten Championship Game 12/2/22). HELMET: A new sticker reading ‘MVP’ awarded to players voted team Most Valuable Player at the annual Michigan Awards ceremony (also retroactively) worn by Blake Corum (2022 MVP) and J.J. McCarthy (2023): December 2, 2023 | Indianapolis, IN | Big Ten Championship Game vs. Iowa Note: As the East Division champion Michigan is designated as the away team.JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears white jersey, white pants and white socks/sleeves. HELMET: The team is awarded a decal that reads ‘THE GAME’ 1001 for all-time program win #1001 (vs. Ohio State 11/25/2023): November 25, 2023 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Ohio State JERSEY/PANTS: Michigan wears blue jersey, blue pants and blue socks/sleeves. HELMET: The team wears a new nosebumper above the facemask, blue with maize letters reading ‘MICH1GAN’ with large ‘1G‘ letters celebrating program win 1000. HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #1000 (vs. Maryland 11/18/2023), including variations for game/unit MVP honors: November 18, 2023 | College Park, MD | vs. Maryland JERSEY/PANTS: Michigan wears road white jerseys, and white pants (with blue socks/sleeves). HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #999 (vs. Penn State 11/11/2023), including variations for game/unit MVP honors. November 11, 2023 | State College, PA | vs. Penn State JERSEY/PANTS: Michigan wears road white jerseys, and maize pants (with maize socks/sleeves): HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #998 (vs. Purdue 11/4/2023), including variations for game/unit MVP honors. November 4, 2023 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Purdue JERSEY/PANTS: Michigan wears blue jerseys, and blue pants (with white socks/sleeves) HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #997 (vs. Michigan State 10/21/2023), with a silhouette Paul Bunyan Trophy logo. HELMET: The team is issued a decal that reads ‘RAMPAGE 2023’ in honor of the team winning 8 straight games, a feat Jim Harbaugh describes as a “Rampage.” HELMET: Given the team also won 8 straight games during one stretch in 2022, members of the 2022 team are also awarded a decal that reads ‘RAMPAGE 2022’ before this game: October 21, 2023 | East Lansing, MI | vs. Michigan State JERSEY/PANTS: Michigan wears the road white jerseys, with blue pants (with blue socks): HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #996 (vs. Indiana 10/14/2023), including variations for game/unit MVP honors. October 14, 2023 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Indiana JERSEY/PANTS: Michigan wears blue jerseys with blue pants (with maize socks). HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #995 (vs. Minnesota 10/7/2023), with a silhouette Little Brown Jug trophy logo. Includes variations for game/unit MVP honors. October 7, 2023 | Minneapolis, MN | vs. Minneapolis JERSEY/PANTS: Michigan wears the (Harbaugh era) traditional white jerseys/white pants (with white socks). HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #994 (vs. Nebraska 9/30/2023), including variations for game/unit MVP honors. September 30, 2023 | Lincoln, NE | vs. Nebraska JERSEY/PANTS: For the first road game of 2023, Michigan wears the white road jersey with maize pants (with white socks): HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #993 (vs. Rutgers 9/23/2023), including variations for game/unit MVP honors. September 23, 2023 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Rutgers JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the traditional home blue/maize jersey & pants combination (with maize socks). HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #992 (vs. Bowling Green 9/16/2023). There are variations for game/unit MVP honors: HELMET: A new sticker appears that reads ‘GUARDIANS OF VICTORY’ on at least one player’s helmet, specific criteria to earn this award are unknown: September 16, 2023 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Bowling Green JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the blue jersey & blue pants combination (with blue socks), the first at home since Nebraska 2022. HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #991 (vs. UNLV 9/9/2023). There are variations for game/unit MVP honors: September 9, 2023 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. UNLV JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the traditional home blue/maize jersey & pants combination (with white socks). HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #990 (vs. East Carolina 9/2/2023). There are variations for game/unit MVP honors: September 2, 2023 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. East Carolina JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the traditional home blue/maize jersey & pants combination (via maizenbluenation) HELMET: Certain members of the team are awarded a sticker with the letters ‘EUTM’, for those demonstrating an Enthusiasm Unknown To Mankind: April 1, 2023 | Ann Arbor, MI | Spring Football Game HELMET: The Spring game reveals two helmet stickers that were issued following the season. Participants in the 2022 Fiesta Bowl (the CFP semi-final) are awarded a decal that reads “Fiesta Bowl” above the bowl logo: In addition, members of the 2022 offensive line are awarded a decal in recognition of Michigan’s line winning the 2022 Joe Moore Award. The sticker depicts the Joe Moore Award logo: 2022 Summary (see week-by-week details below) December 31, 2022 | Glendale, AZ | Fiesta Bowl, College Football Playoff Semi-Final vs. Texas Christian University JERSEY: Michigan is designated as the home team, and will wear a blue jersey. Jersey features a bowl sponsor patch on the left chest. The Nike Jumpman changes to the “Diamond” silver/black outline logo on the left chest of the jersey. PANTS: Michigan wears maize pants, which also feature the Nike Jumpman “Diamond” logo on the left hip. HELMET: The team is awarded a stylized decal in the shape of the silver football atop the Big Ten Championship Trophy (including B1G logo) for all-time program win #989 (vs. Purdue in the Big Ten Championship Game 12/3/22). In addition, the team wears a sticker honoring the passing of program friend Dametrius “Meechie” Walker, affixed to the back middle stripe of the helmet: The team also wears the CFP logo affixed to the back middle stripe of the helmet: December 3, 2022 | Indianapolis, IN | Big Ten Championship Game vs. Purdue Note: Michigan, as the East Division champion, is designated as the home team.JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the blue/blue jersey & pants combination. HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #988 (vs. Ohio State 11/26/2022) with a “THE GAME” specialized logo. November 26, 2022 | Columbus, OH | vs. Ohio State JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the Harbaugh-era white/white jersey & pants combination (via mgoblue.com): HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #987 (vs. Illinois 11/19/2022). There are variations for game/unit MVP honors. November 19, 2022 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Illinois JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the traditional blue/maize jersey & pants combination. HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #986 (vs. Nebraska 11/12/2022). There are variations for game/unit MVP honors. November 12, 2022 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Nebraska JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the blue/blue jersey & pants combination. HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #985 (vs. Rutgers 11/5/2022). There are variations for game/unit MVP honors. November 5, 2022 | Piscataway, NJ | vs. Rutgers JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the white/white jersey & pants combination for the first time in 2022. HELMET: The team is awarded a decal featuring a depiction of the Paul Bunyan Trophy, for all-time program win #984 (vs. Michigan State 10/29/2022). There are variations for game/unit MVP honors. October 29, 2022 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Michigan State JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the blue/blue jersey & pants combination. HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #983 (vs. Penn State 10/15/2022). There are variations for game/unit MVP honors. October 15, 2022 | Ann Arbor, MI | vs. Penn State JERSEY/PANTS: The team wears the blue/blue jersey & pants combination at home for the first time since the 2021 Ohio State game. HELMET: The team is awarded a decal for all-time program win #982 (vs. Indiana 10/8/2022). There are...
                            Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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                            • On my large LCD I didn't like those helmets at all vs SC, they looked like an unfinished product, like a old car primed for a paint job.

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                              • I accept that it's going to happen, but I'd much rather let Nike do it than addidas. Nike's got a much better sense of how to play with the shades and numbers and thickness of the stripes, etc. addidas is just random shit. The bleed-out basketball unis were a mix of the highlighter yellow, maize, navy and royal blue. DISGUSTING.

                                I do wonder why they dropped maize. What factors went into that decision? Any logical reason?

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