UM Football Recruiting - by WM Wolverine

[froot loops]

The dude is fundamentally unserious in any conversation.

[AlabamAlum]

I love Geezer’s edit that included a website that has been around about a year that ranks universities on student loan payback and how much a small group of alumni report earning after filling out a mailer 10 years after graduation when compared to alumni in state from any school and any degree.

The ranking has Missouri Science & Tech (in Rolla, Missouri) outranking Harvard; Florida outranking Michigan; and CUNY outranking every single Ivy except Princeton (etc, etc).

lol. Valuable website is valuable. And this has what to do with recruiting? I’m not sure, but I think “unserious” is the word of the day.

A Northwestern fan walks up to Geezer and says, “Hey you guys outrecruit us every year. You are obviously cheating your asses off.”

Geezer, looks at the Northwestern fan and laughs. “No, we are better at recruiting than you. We have better facilities, better coaches, and prepare the players on the team better for the NFL as well as usually giving them more opportunities in the post season and more exposure on the national stage.” The Northwestern fan then posts a link to a week old website showing that a survey stated Northwestern had better pizza restaurants near campus. “Check and mate,” muttered the Northwestern fan.

Geezer then turns to Ohio State and says, “Hey you guys outrecruit us every year. You are obviously cheating your asses off.”

Evergreen exchange. Wash, rinse, repeat.

And with that, I’m going to take a nap.

[iam416]

Lol. Thanks for again pointing how ludicrous Geezer can be. Missouri S&T > Harvard.

I’ve titled at that windmill too many times.

[AlabamAlum]

No one is gonna believe me (and I’m okay with it), but once time years ago I got a mailer from UA that had a survey. I put my salary as $23 million/ year (thought an odd number would be more believable).

Two or three years later AL.Com had an article that noted a 17% jump in UA grad salaries. I have taken credit for that jump ever since.

The mailers are as much serious science as the US News and World Report rankings. Many universities have teams to maximize the sea of subjective and meaningless metrics they throw in a pot to achieve those undergrad rankings. It’s just a crazy that we’re talking about this with regard to football recruiting.

Anyway. One thing we haven’t really talked about is that it was fucking Gavin Newsom who really got the NIL ball rolling. That dumbass is one dangerous fuckwad.

[iam416]

Newsom is an assbag idiot, but that’s for a different thread.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Man, I'd forgotten about that connection. Opening Pandora's box re NIL is consistent with him feeling great about thousands of homeless people parked under the CA interstates and camped in public parks, pooping on sidewalks and making previously decent neighborhoods unlivable. I know, another thread but thanks for bringing this up you two.

[Big J]

Nathan Efobi, 4 star gaurd
6'4" 285lbs

https://youtu.be/IsUJ_iIAzX8

[Big J]

Aymeric Koumba, 6'4" 230 lbs
Edge committed to Michigan with a 7'1" wing span

https://youtu.be/w-UZyocbtf0

[DaGeezer]

The mailers are as much serious science as the US News and World Report rankings. Many universities have teams to maximize the sea of subjective and meaningless metrics they throw in a pot to achieve those undergrad rankings. It’s just a crazy that we’re talking about this with regard to football recruiting.
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It is not crazy to talk about the economic value of a degree. Under the previous regime, the most value a recruit would get from matriculating is the value of the degree.

You make a valid point when you say that recruits now consider. " We have better facilities, better coaches, and prepare the players on the team better for the NFL as well as usually giving them more opportunities in the post season and more exposure on the national stage.” which, I presume, would also be the pitch that OSU would use. If you actually believe that, why would a cap on the amount that recruiting classes can be paid be a disadvantage to the elite schools? All I was proposing was a way to enhance competition and to give a metric to measure which schools will belong to a coming superconference.

So Talent says: " but let's say you can do that. Then the $1.5M vs $100K for a 5* becomes something like $2.5 vs $1.6 (with a commensurate salary added). And the more 5* you sign the harder it becomes to competitive. A school like M that might sign 1 5*, if they're lucky, can make a much better University offer than UAT, which signs like 10 every cycle.

"The more 5* you sign, the harder it becomes to (be) competitive." Just let the logic of that sink in.

I just want to remind you that this is a UM message board titled "University of Michigan football recruiting." I view recruiting from the point of view of the University of Michigan. We have other threads like "hating on the SEC, mostly Alabama..." I don't apologize for viewing UM recruiting through maize and blue glasses. UM would benefit greatly from a cap on payments to players. so would the entire college football world except for Alabama, OSU, Clemson, and Georgia. Talent says, "A school like M that might sign 1 5*, if they're lucky, can make a much better University offer than UAT, which signs like 10 every cycle. PRECISELY.

[AlabamAlum]

lol

[iam416]

You've commented in EVERY recruiting idiscussion on the other general thread about the NIL bullshit from On3, provably false claims and unsubstantiated claims.And you've done so repeatedly even after clear reasons why you were wrong were posted. I will say, this thread, though, had the added benefit of enjoying university rankings that rate Florida above M and Missouri Sciene and Tech above Havard.

So, good times.

If it were only about a proposal to have universities pay players under some sort of salary cap proposal then we'd all be discussing it like rational adults. The issue, of course, which I assumed away and I don't think you really can (as AA pointed out) is Title IX.

[AlabamAlum]

Geezer,

(1) Scholarship athletes get, you know, scholarships. So, how quickly they pay off their student loan - especially in the world of NIL and stipends - is silly. Also, the website, which deals in salary mailers and how quickly tuition bills are paid off is wildly flawed and downright silly in this convo and also leads to things like Mizzou Tech > Harvard

(2) A school-managed fund opens up a Pandora’s box of Title IX and you still have schools who will donate more, and then we have to consider that the best players would have to agree to sign away their big paydays which would, at minimum, require a Union and a CBA - which opens up another Pandora’s Box.

(3) This above socialism of having a fund that was equally doled out to all athletes (male and female) at all universities would not only be a hard sell to the big schools and top athletes, but it would also ultimately have to be managed by the NCAA which opens up yet another Pandora’s Box.

(4) This is the second time you have reminded me this is a Michigan forum. (A) Let me remind you, you sought this discourse out. (B) I generally stay on topic and will respond honestly. It may not be what you want to hear and I absolutely expect your viewpoint to be M centric, which is fine, just keep in mind if your point of view is silly, it runs the risk of being called just that and that’s a positive. The worst sports forums are echo chambers (I am a member of a couple of those and they are at best tedious and a waste of time).

So, what’s the answer? Honestly, closing (or greatly restricting) the Portal would be a great first step. It would cut down on poaching and over 1000 football players entering every year to shop for a better deal.

[Mike]

I'm actually pretty ambivalent about all this NIL/portal stuff. Every business model is introduced to a major disrupting factor at some point. The key is to adapt or die. The blue blood programs with the deepest resources will be the best equipped to survive and thrive in whatever model emerges going forward. And at the end of the day, the best players want to play for winners and have the best chance of making it to the NFL.

[AlabamAlum]

That’s an interesting take, Mike. It’s hard to disagree with.

[froot loops]

The freewheeling transfer rules right now are causing a little bit of chaos, but eventually it will shake out. Not everyone who goes in the transfer portal goes to greener grass, if they go at all. Everyone is in search of reps, it does you no good to be a 5 star at a blue blood program if you are not getting playing time. I don't mind the transfer rules as is, I never liked that you had to sit out a full year when you have 4 eligible years. But they could restrict it on the margins.