UM Football Recruiting - by WM Wolverine

[SeattleLionsFan]

Good call! Of course Jhonny Williams was an .84 on the composite and would take a scholly THIS year and not starting next year. Other than that, your point is spot on!

[Mackenzie]

Harbaugh has apparently turned away Jhonny Williams because there are no free scholarships. Good thing we're not wasting spots on ND level prospects and saving them instead for the guys that we steal from Georgia Southern and Newfoundland State.

Is there an article or source for that?

[Wellington_beefhouser]

This is a great article which puts talent evaluation and the "star" rankings into perspective. Harbaugh is a talent evaluator and there is plenty of talent to be evaluated. In Harbaugh I trust. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/re...uable-recruits

Man I hope we land Jon Jones....he's a sledgehammer

[Prime2]

Harbaugh has apparently turned away Jhonny Williams because there are no free scholarships. Good thing we're not wasting spots on ND level prospects and saving them instead for the guys that we steal from Georgia Southern and Newfoundland State.

Hack is a proud graduate of Newfoundland St. especially as he celebrates his new found Canadianism.

[hack]

I transcend the concept of national identity.

[iam416]

As a counterpoint to Baylor/TCU, the BCS Championship game was played 16 times. Of the 32 teams that played for the title, I would say 4 were not outstanding recruiting programs: VT, Nebraska, Oregon, Notre Dame. VT, at the time, wasn't a big-time player. Notre Dame in 2012 was not particularly loaded with big-time recruits. And Oregon recruits to their system just like UNL used to do when they were relevant.

In the CFP, 3 of the 4 teams were obviously loaded with big-time recruits.

So, yeah, nice job TCU/Baylor. Maybe you guys will one day be the 5 in 36 exception to the rule.

[Prime2]

Yeah but what does the lacrosse data look like?

247 has Michigan's 2016 class ranked at #7. The Legendary Jim Harbaugh will continue to overpusue and cull the herd around NSD.

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2015/06/four-star_ot_devery_hamilton_p.html

[iam416]

He should be pushing LSU for #1 overall class by August.

[Hannibal]

Notre Dame in 2012 was not particularly loaded with big-time recruits. .

They were still pretty loaded. Charlie Weis Stocked up the cupboard very well before he left. That defense in particular had lots of stud recruits. I'd take one of Charlie's highly ranked classes in a heartbeat.

[iam416]

Yeah, they had the #1 class in 2008. In 2009 they were short on numbers, but the quality was outstanding. 2010-11 were meh classes, but still top 15.

Auburn's national title team should probably replace Notre Dame on that list. Auburn was in full-fledged oversigning mode and cranking through 3* players. Then they got Cam. In a way, it's probably a similar team makeup to VT and Vick.

In any event, the larger point is undisturbed.

I think it's also worth few further comments on TCU/Baylor. First, both schools are recruiting well right now. They have higher average player ratings than, e.g., HARBAUGH!!! So, while they have been forced to live off the "3* Texas" diet in the past, that's clearly not their preference. Duh. Second, Baylor's "success" owes as much to scheduling as anything else. They are, in no way, a complete program. Third, TCU was really good last season, but their first two seasons in the B12 were 11-14. Their big break was falling into Trevone Boykin.

[froot loops]

Are those guys not their preference or are they now getting ranked higher if they get offered by Baylor? In the story there was an unranked recruit that committed to Baylor, now he debuts in ESPN's ranking as a 4 star. Right there shows how suspect some of these rankings are. They are heavily influenced by who the offers are.

I know Talent is riding high about recruiting and Meyer, but I'm certain that if Meyer had classes ranked in the 20's, he would succeed bug time at OSU.

[Wellington_beefhouser]

As a counterpoint to Baylor/TCU, the BCS Championship game was played 16 times. Of the 32 teams that played for the title, I would say 4 were not outstanding recruiting programs: VT, Nebraska, Oregon, Notre Dame. VT, at the time, wasn't a big-time player. Notre Dame in 2012 was not particularly loaded with big-time recruits. And Oregon recruits to their system just like UNL used to do when they were relevant.

In the CFP, 3 of the 4 teams were obviously loaded with big-time recruits.

So, yeah, nice job TCU/Baylor. Maybe you guys will one day be the 5 in 36 exception to the rule.

Define what an "outstanding" recruiting program is please. Top 10 every year? Top 5 every year?

[entropy]

I still think one should value who is offering more than if rivals jacks up a ranking cause the kid committed to an SEC school with a lot of members.

[iam416]

I still think the overwhelming evidence...OVERWHELMING evidence shows that recruiting rankings are pretty accurate.

Define what an "outstanding" recruiting program is please.

A program that is consistently top 15 and typically top 10.

Anyway, I understand that "stars don't matter" these days. If M fans want to hang their hat on Art Briles, so be it. I'm sure that'll whip Urbie.

[entropy]

Your comments about UNL recruiting to their system in the past were spot on. I still think teams need to that..

One of the things that drove me nuts about Bo's staff was not the star quality they landed, but who they landed. If you play a 2 gap scheme with your DT's, you shouldn't be recruiting DT's who are 260lbs in HS... especially when you need immediate depth. When you bulk up a DE to 280lbs and play him inside cause you have nobody physically ready to play, you've recruited wrong. in other words, you don't recruit guys who are best at one gapping and getting up field if you run a 2 gap scheme.. and you especially don't recruit guys with short arms. Stars don't matter at that point.. scheme will trump