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**iam416** · April 10, 2015, 12:13 PM

That graph only covers 2 yeas of JH @ Stanford and 3 years of Shaw. It also includes Ohio State's unfortunate Year of Fickell. I reckon OSU would be in the "gray" under UFM.

But what that chart mostly shows is a strong correlation of results to recruiting. Duh.

**WM Wolverine** · April 10, 2015, 01:03 PM

M under Harbaugh should join Bama, LSU, Ohio, Florida State, USCar, Oklahoma, etc in the top right square. It might take longer than some hope but he'll get M there.

**drok** · April 10, 2015, 04:14 PM

Interesting diary on MGoBlog about the history of transfers at M (including Juco's):

The History of Michigan Football Transfers | mgoblog

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/history-michigan-football-transfers

Since a slew of transfers are on their way and that number could still rise, I figure I'd post this since Michigan has already appeared to set a record for transfers welcomed in a single year with 4. My source for this is the Bentley football roster database. This is a list of every documented Michigan incoming transfer. I say documented because it is possible that guys transferred here in the late 19th century and early 20th century and it just wasn't listed that they transffered. There are some really impressive names on this list that you might recognize. Player Pos. U-M Years Transferred From William Caley G 1896-1898 Colorado Charles McDonald T 1898-1899 Oberlin Charles Street QB 1898-1899 Williams College Ebin Wilson C 1900 Eastern Michigan Willie Heston, Sr. HB 1901-1904 San Jose State Dan McGugin G 1901-1902 Drake Arthur Reid N/A 1901 Simpson College Charles Carter G 1902 Brown Willard Peach E 1916, 1919 Western Michigan Elroy Hirsch RB 1943 Wisconsin Howard Yerges QB 1944-1947 Ohio State Len Ford E 1945-1947 Morgan State J.T. White C 1946-1947 Ohio State Don Zanfagna QB 1951-1952 Army Rick Jones LB 1977-1978 Detroit Michael Kerr OL 1986-1987 DuPage J.C. Chris Kurpeikis OT 1995 Notre Dame Eric Mayes LB 1995-1997 Xavier Russell Shaw WR 1996-1997 Locke - El Camino C.C. Jonathan Goodwin OL 1999-2001 Ohio University Spencer Brinton QB 2001-2004 San Diego State Troy Nienberg K 2001-2004 Dayton Grant Mason CB 2004-2005 Stanford Austin Panter LB 2007-2008 Kensington - Butler C.C. Steven Threet QB 2007-2008 Georgia Tech Marrell Evans LB 2011 Hampton Ty Isaac RB 2014- USC Wayne Lyons CB 2015- Stanford John O'Korn QB 2015- Houston Blake O'Neill P 2015- Weber State Jake Rudock QB 2015- Iowa Italics indicates JUCO (junior college) transfer

**Hannibal** · April 15, 2015, 07:23 AM

Is Lavert Hill going to be added to the board? Some smoke signals that he might be flipping to Michigan.

**WM Wolverine** · April 15, 2015, 07:44 AM

Unlikely until there is more than just smoke...

I don't know the source of the smoke other than M is actively recruiting him. If there is truth to the rumors, I think one day he'll just commit to the Wolverines.

**Mackenzie** · April 16, 2015, 11:26 AM

Probably not big news and maybe has been discussed before but perhaps this makes is somewhat more official:

Saline running back Kevin Gross headed to Michigan as preferred walk-on

http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/484014618192383618/saline-running-back-kevin-gross-headed-to-michigan-as-preferred-walk-on/

The reigning MLive Ann Arbor News Offensive Player of the Year joining teammate and fellow walk-on Chris Terech with guaranteed spot in Wolverines’ fall camp.

**Jeff Buchanan** · April 16, 2015, 11:42 AM

This is the kind of kid that places the importance of his education on an equal footing with playing sports. They go together for this kind of guy.

I wouldn't say M "prefers" these kinds of kids but it's not going to push them to the back of the line either. I'm not really sure I know if there are no limits to how many players the team can actually have. Obviously there is the 85 scholarship limit but walk-ons???? Maybe someone else with knowledge of this can comment.

IMO, these kids playing football and basketball should get lots of press and clearly they don't. This is the true college athlete . Instead, different kinds of kids are hyped by the sports press and usually these aren't the kids going to college to actually get an education ...... in the transition to big time college sports, we've kind of lost sight of that.

**iam416** · April 16, 2015, 11:49 AM

There is no limit on non-scholarship kids. Most teams limit walk-ons because they don't want to manage 150 kids and they want to make sure no one is going to get killed. If the kid is any good he'll probably earn a year's scholarship here or there if M drops under the 85 limit, which they almost certainly will.

I'll also add that the vast majority of athletes playing D1 sports fit exactly this mold. It's a sport they love but they know their bread will never be buttered by it.

**Mackenzie** · April 16, 2015, 12:01 PM

Nice that he picked M despite having apparently strong interest from at least one ivy league school. Not sure the article states whether or not that "interest' involved a scholarship. If a scholarship was involved, it's perhaps more amazing that the kid would forego the ivy league offer and a more realistic chance to get on the playing field, to walk on at M and pay the big bucks for a lot more playing uncertainty. Of course family economics are probably reflected in his decision. But, certainly the student portion of the student/athlete seems emphasized as well as this kid's love for Michigan. Wish him the best of luck on and off the field.

**Jeff Buchanan** · April 16, 2015, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by iam416 View Post

........I'll also add that the vast majority of athletes playing D1 sports fit exactly this mold. It's a sport they love but they know their bread will never be buttered by it.

I would assume you are correct.

My point is the press doesn't cover these guys. Instead they cover the flashy, maybe, 10%.

It's like local news. Despite the fact that there are some real important and newsworthy issues, nevertheless, what makes the three lead stories on the nightly news are the poor guy that got shot last night, the cabbie that got robbed or the huge fire on "Main Street".

Is ESPN doing a story on this guy? Never mind.

**Jeff Buchanan** · April 16, 2015, 02:23 PM

..... speaking of recruiting:

Brian at mgblog did this week's "Thursday Recrutin" article.

Just up. The best of classic Brian when he's engaged and on. A must read whereas I'd never say that about Ace. Too bad.

**jaadam4** · April 16, 2015, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by iam416 View Post

There is no limit on non-scholarship kids. Most teams limit walk-ons because they don't want to manage 150 kids and they want to make sure no one is going to get killed. If the kid is any good he'll probably earn a year's scholarship here or there if M drops under the 85 limit, which they almost certainly will.

I'm not sure you're correct on any of your points. I watched Rudy.. I know how this works

**WM Wolverine** · April 17, 2015, 09:08 PM

1st commit from '17, Carter Dunaway TE from Brother Rice.

**Hannibal** · April 20, 2015, 02:12 PM

Just read the "Hello" post on mgoblog.

Harbaugh just accepted a commitment from a sophomore backup who has one career high school catch. And here I was thinking that RichRod had sent out some questionable early offers.

**drok** · April 20, 2015, 04:15 PM

Yeah that seems crazy. He's supposed to have a reputation as an incredible talent evaluator, but this just seems unnecessarily risky. I'm still very firmly in wait and see mode, but I wouldn't say that I feel good about the way recruiting has gone so far.

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