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[Rocky Bleier]

Which is too light. Brennen Beyer is 255 and gets pushed around.

[Rocky Bleier]

Cole had long passed George Campbell on 24/7's top 247 board.

Cambell has dropped, but he's still rated higher.

Campbell is 37th

Cole is 65th

[hack]

Perhaps you could take a course in reading comprehension. You often infer what I do not imply.

You hint at stuff and back off it when someone puts it in plain language.

[The Oracle]

Which is too light. Brennen Beyer is 255 and gets pushed around.

It's plenty of weight if you know how to play. Beyer does not.


Regardless, okay 265, point is he's got plenty of frame to put weight onto.

[whodean]

RichRod did a shitload of damage during his stay in AA.

Dantonio owes his existence to DickRod

[Rocky Bleier]

You hint at stuff and back off it when someone puts it in plain language.

I call bullshit...
I've never said Hoke needs 7 years.

In my experience you don't put what I say in plain language. You twist what I say. It usually takes 1 or 2 more posts for me to set it straight. Thus my suggestion for reading comprehension. Too be fair, I often don't understand what you say either. That's true - not a snide remark.

[hack]

Dantonio owes his existence to DickRod

He definitely got some momentum thanks to that, but he's clearly a competent coach. I've been waiting past two years for that team to fall back given considerable losses to graduation and the draft, but that hasn't happened, and now he's winning more recruiting battles than MSU normally would. He's took that break he got and made the most of it.

[Deuce]

Cambell has dropped, but he's still rated higher.

Campbell is 37th

Cole is 65th

You my friend ARE SO FUCKING WRONG! I was going by just the 24/7 rankings not the composite.

Cole is 43rd and Campbell is 63rd.

[Hannibal]

He'll need to bulk up quite a bit to play DE... 24/7 has him listed at 225 lbs. Rivals and Sam Webb (Scout?) list him at 210 lbs. May play OLB in college.

He will definitely have to bulk up although for a WDE, I don't think that weight is too far below the average. If you look at the Top 10 guys on rivals for that position there is a really wide range of weights.

[Hannibal]

Dantonio owes his existence to DickRod

Not anymore. He has had too much success. He won the Rose Bowl last year with a bunch of guys whose recruiting profiles weren't better, on average, than RichRod's classes.

Reasonable arguments to make were it not for how easy it was to observe the coaching staff squandering what talent it had. IMO you let the coaches prove they're getting the most out of what they got before you complain about the players.

This.

Our 2010 class sucked but there were still guys like Jerald Robinson, Josh Furman, Richard Ash, Ricardo Miller, Courtney Avery, Jibreel Black, Marvin Robinson, and Ken Wilkins who had decent or at least acceptable recruiting profiles that Hoke got basically nothing out of. Ash and Robinson had impressive rankings and offer lists and they never approached competence. The only guy that exceeded expectations from that class was Jake Ryan. Hoke doesn't deserve any more of a pass than Rodriguez deserved for not getting anything out of Carr's defensive recruits.

[iam416]

Hoke is well on his way to landing his 4th consecutive stellar recruiting class. I expect M fans to see that hard work paying big dividends by no later than 2016 as the brave Hokattimeier continue to ward off evils of RichGOD which, apparently, have no expiration date.

[whodean]

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Not anymore is true, but he only got off the ground like he has because of DicklessRod's perfect storm

[iam416]

Dantonio and his staff are good. That's why MSU is good. They would have been good regardless. The record may be a bit inflated b/c two would-be "elite" programs of the B10 have been donkey poop during that run -- PSU/M. But the quality of his team would be where it is.

I mean, seriously -- how many recruits has Dantonio beat M out for and how many of those went on to be stars? Was M after Le'Veon Bell? Was M after Dennard? Greg Jones? Calhoun? Connor Cook? Jerel Worthy?

Shit, Bell, Jones, Cook and Worthy are all Ohio guys M or OSU could have if they really wanted them.

Credit where credit is due -- Dantonio and Crew were going to win regardless. They wouldn't have dominated M on the field if M were anything like it should be, but that's a separate question, IMO.

Dantonio owes his existence far more to the uber-talented 2002 and 2003 OSU defense. That was what landed him his first HC job at Cincinnati.

[Hannibal]

Here is a look at the results so far of the 2011 class.

Justice Hayes 4* -- Hoke has gotten absolutely jack shit out of him. Miles below expectations
Brennan Beyer 4* --- Hoke has gotten very little out of him. He is a competent starter at best who has not exceeded expectations
Keith Heitzmann 3* -- nothing
Blake Countess 4* -- has met high expectations. Was a stud pretty much when he arrived and didn't have to be developed much
Raymon Taylor 4* -- A mediocre starter
Desmon Morgan 3* -- met expectations as another mediocre starter
Jack Miller 3* -- has fallen disastrously short of expectations that were already low to begin with. Absolutely epic player development fail
Delonte Hollowell 3* -- zero contributions
Frank Clark 3* -- had a decent recruiting profile. Solid but still mediocre starter. Has pretty much met expectations. Meanwhile, Shalique Calhoun, who came out in the same class and had a lower ranking than Clark on rivals, had a monster year last year.

Beyond that, you have injuries, transfers, etc. Hoke was left crappy recruits by Michigan standards but he also hasn't done jack shit to develop them.

The early returns on the '12 class aren't any more encouraging.

[hack]

Miller's a tale. IIRC he got time with the starting group last year because no one else could snap. Everything else about him was inferior to his competition. The year before, Mealer was at guard until they finally gave up on whomever if was -- Barnum -- learning how to snap. Which makes me wonder why our OL coach can't teach a kid how to snap. Chrissakes.