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  • Talent, toughness, intelligence, desire, pride


    I see these accusations and I just don't get it. You could make the case for some (intelligence and maybe toughness) but in other cases that doesn't seem right. We don't see Gardner suddenly afraid to hang on to the ball. For all the pounding he's taking you'd think he'd be a little more willing to give up on plays faster than he does, for example. This flies in the face of this lack-of-toughness idea.

    It very well could be that our guys are lacking in all those attributes, but I wouldn't mind seeing any sort of justification for the accusation. They're still kids and they are going out and getting their assets kicked on television week in/week out. Not right to just throw them under the bus unless you've got something to justify that. Especially with so much actual measurable tangible evidence that there's something wrong with the coaching. Unless proven otherwise, my assumption is that they are doing their best to execute the game plan. The coaches made the roster and picked the guys they thought should see playing time. Nobody held a gun to any coach's head here.

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    • Gardner looked unable to make basic QB reads, afraid to let the ball fly and unable to make the tough throws. Surely some of this is due to the beatings he is taking because the oLine sucks badly but some of it is a lack of ability and character too.

      Other than that he is great.
      Atlanta, GA

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      • An inability to read defenses is a character flaw now? WTF.
        To be a professional means that you don't die. - Takeru "the Tsunami" Kobayashi

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        • I'd argue there is tangible evidence that the o-line lacks toughness. How can you possibly be tough and run for -69 yards in two weeks and average 3.2 YPC for the season?
          Last edited by Mike; November 13, 2013, 03:41 PM.

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          • At least he's announcing before the NW game.

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            • Originally posted by Mike View Post
              I'd argue there is tangible evidence that the o-line lacks toughness. How can you possibly be tough and run for -69 yards in two weeks and average 3.2 YPC for the season?
              If your teachers suck at teaching you how to block or they constantly put you in position to fail.

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              • We rank 96th nationally in rushing yards per game and 83rd in total yards per game. It's the exact opposite of RichRod's teams and at this point they are probably equally shitty.

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                • Come now, boys, move this to one of the 3 appropriate threads for wrist-slashing. This is the RECRUITING thread, and Hokattison are champs, or at least easy runners-up at recruiting. This is your happy place.

                  Celebrate Hand and McDowell and Peppers!

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                  Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                  • Originally posted by Hannibal View Post
                    If your teachers suck at teaching you how to block or they constantly put you in position to fail.
                    Granted. I'm not letting the coaches off the hook. I just think that if they had a little more pride and toughness that those rare occasions when they actually all block who they are supposed to... they might almost accidentally push somebody like Akron or UConn a couple yards down field.

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                    • Originally posted by Mike View Post
                      We rank 96th nationally in rushing yards per game and 83rd in total yards per game. It's the exact opposite of RichRod's teams and at this point they are probably equally shitty.
                      Yup. This team is about as good as RichRod's 2009 team. We have one more win than that shitstain because of the cream puff schedule.

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                      • Originally posted by whodean View Post
                        Gardner looked unable to make basic QB reads, afraid to let the ball fly and unable to make the tough throws. Surely some of this is due to the beatings he is taking because the oLine sucks badly but some of it is a lack of ability and character too.

                        Other than that he is great.
                        Denard is therefore the least virtuous human in history. Probably was conceived during a Hitler/Osama/Miley Cyrus threesome.

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                        • Will that be on HBO?
                          ?I don?t take vacations. I don?t get sick. I don?t observe major holidays. I?m a jackhammer.?

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                          • Originally posted by Optimus Prime View Post
                            Will that be on HBO?
                            Already was. You missed it several weeks ago while pretending to be a Pirate of the Carribean.

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                            • Have I somehow wronged you Rob? I don't even know you.
                              ?I don?t take vacations. I don?t get sick. I don?t observe major holidays. I?m a jackhammer.?

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                              • Originally posted by whodean View Post
                                Gardner looked unable to make basic QB reads, afraid to let the ball fly and unable to make the tough throws. Surely some of this is due to the beatings he is taking because the oLine sucks badly but some of it is a lack of ability and character too.

                                Other than that he is great.
                                WOW. WhoDean, how do you possibly look at any of the deficiencies of Al Borges and Michigan's lousy offense and come to the conclusion that somehow it can be pinned on Gardner as a "character flaw"? That's one helluva reach; I can only conclude you were drunk and forgot to proof-read your own post before hitting "submit reply". And believe-you-me, I'm playing nice by wording this comment the way I am...

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