UM Football Recruiting - by WM Wolverine

[WM Wolverine]

How talented are the recruits in Ohio in '14?

How did Ohio get off so easy from the NCAA with everything its players (current & former) admitted?

[Dr. Strangelove]

They're talented. The punishment was fair. Next question.

[Rocky Bleier]

How talented are the recruits in Ohio in '14?

How did Ohio get off so easy from the NCAA with everything its players (current & former) admitted?

They're talented, and some will have the good sense to head north.

The head of the NCAA is very friendly with the president of osu.

Next question.

[lineygoblue]

Agreed.

[hack]

Is the White Zone for unloading Borgeses? I've one I'd like to unload.

[Hannibal]

I hope that you've got a crane or a forklift.

[Rob F]

Is the White Zone for unloading Borgeses? I've one I'd like to unload.

I think there's a good chance the Central Scrutinizer would be in favor at this point.

[WM Wolverine]

I want to see Borges offense when he's got an OL, an accurate QB and a talented running back. Not sure if he'll get all those till '14 or '15.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Agree.

Another salient point to open up for discussion: I don't think Rodriguez should take all the hits for the last four years of talent deficiencies/poor onfield performance. Maybe the perfect storm is a more apt reason ........ Carr's last two years, natural demographic disadvantages, poor player development under RR's coaching staff, multiple systems and terminologies used by an ever changing roster of coaches.

The most important lesson here is that coaching changes are hard. They have to be very carefully planned and executed. Few programs can do it without suffering a down period, sometimes a long one.

When LC left, I had high expectations for a bright future. Not once did I think M would suffer for 6 or 7 seasons but that is exactly what is happening. When you put that in the context of the unrealistic expectations that I, and many others, have for M football, it's a tough pill to swallow.

[WM Wolverine]

RR should've been more successful at M [if given time I think he'd have settled into a good but not great coach; 8-10 win type seasons), but that wouldn't have made him a good hire. Well before Lloyd even retired, I felt M's incoming 'talent' was less than impressive and M was potentially headed for mediocrity.

[DennisT]

RR should have been an OC at M.

[hack]

A dream OC if he ever gives up on being head coach. Not here of course, but some team would be awfully lucky to have him at that spot.

Of course Borges deserves time. He wasn't hired with the short term in mind. Still, I think there are legit concerns based on how he uses the talent he currently has.

[Chuck Mallory]

Hack, how would you prefer Borges to use the talent he has now? What would you do differently?

[hack]

I just posted a wordier version of that in the other thread so I'll let that speak for me, but in short: you're Borges. You know that Denard's going to cough up a fumble a game or so. You know that the more you throw, the greater the risk he's going to make some absolutely terrible decisions. Ask him to throw this much and he's going to throw two or three picks. You're on the road against a good team, so you can't design a game plan that comes with the reasonable expectation of three turnovers.

You want to be the team that hangs around and makes the other team pay for its mistakes. Not the team that makes the mistakes. Borges' game plan made a mockery of the concept.

[Chuck Mallory]

I disagree. I have faith in my QB to not turn the ball over, esp a Senior 3 year starter. If they don't throw the ball early to open things up the running game probably never gets going either. You cannot not throw the ball because your worried about picks. If thats the case then another QB should definitely be in there.

Furthermore, if Borges would of kept it conservative and still lost I can hear the bitching and whining now. Everyone's gonna point fingers when their team loses. But it comes down to execution by the players more than anything. Denard didn't execute.