UM Football Recruiting - by WM Wolverine

[WM Wolverine]

This kind of stuff might be fun to talk about for fans but when you get down to this level of differentiation, it just seems absurd. Can you explain to me how this sort of thing is of any value at all in assessing a HS football player's potential?

That is exactly what the star rating does and the rivals ratings is exactly the same thing, just more precise...

I haven't seen studies done to see if Rivals Rating (the 6.1 6.0, 5.9, 5.8, 5.7, 5.6, 5.5, 5.4, 5.3, 5.2 type ratings) are much more accurate than the present star system but I'm pretty sure they'd be so I'd like to see any analysis use them instead of the star rating...

Both the coaches and recruiting services are evaluators of recruits; both of which have access to most of the same camps, highlights, film, etc. I value both a recruits star rating, rivals rating and their offer list. I take all information I can in, in addition to my own opinion of the kids film, highlights and scouting reports from the recruiting services.

[Da Geezer]

and please keep doing it! You and Talent do us a real service and we appreciate it.

[Da Geezer]

Having now regained my composure, I do want to point out that producing pros may not be the only way to measure a college program. I'd like to see the ACT acores of all incoming recruits. Graduation rates are nearly irrelevant. Keep in mind that the baseline for the ACT is 10. A randomly filled out answer sheet, or a blank one, will receive a 10. That makes a student with a 13 about 30% smarter than a hammer. 3/26 is not much to brag about, and 7/26 is not a very high bar, but that is what a 17 ACT is.

The SEC area has by far the lowest ACT scores in the nation.

[DennisT]

They can't help it. The further south you go, the dumber people get. Ohio is a good case in point.

[iam416]

Geezer

I'm certainly in favor of comparing APR rates of big time programs. I question the methodology, but it is one that the NCAA uses to assess the student part of student-athlete. And they're serious about it: see UConn hoops.

In terms of coaches who have won BCS titles, I know which two have the highest success of graduating students and I know where OSU rates.

[Da Geezer]

Talent

You sound a little oblique, and you limit your answer to BCS winners.

I care not one wit about what happens after the student enrolls. My point remains that the ACT score is a lot like the number of stars that a recruit gets. It is not perfect. But a kid with a 33 has a higher chance of graduating than one with a 17. MSU routinely takes students who can't get into Michigan. My point is that the incoming classes in SEC-land may have more stars on rivals, but less accomplishment in the classroom. Put bluntly, SEC players may be too dumb to play (matriculate) in the B1G.

There are students "graduating" from Auburn who could not "graduate" from UM.

[WM Wolverine]

Which is why APR (academic progress rate) is a very horrible way to handle punishments for kids transferring and not being academically eligible.

[iam416]

I made the point about the SEC oversigning and taking academic risks. Otherwise I think it is plain that nearly all schools coddle their money sport athletes academically. Including M.

[Da Geezer]

agreed. Once they have met admission standards. SEC schools have lower admission standards. Ivy League has higher. Kids are playing football in the SEC who could not get into the B1G.

I just want to know the mean ACT of an incoming class for each school. Not a hard number to generate. I'll bet Bama has a lower number than MSU and MSU has a lower number than UM. iam416, don't be so defensive.

[iam416]

I'd bet a fair amount that the B10 schools other than NW only require B10 standards. SEC is bare NCAA minimum. I don't think you'd see a real difference amongst B10 teams.

One of the hard things to figure out, though, is the actual standard. Every school, Ivy League included, lowers its standards for football players. And it is most likely on a sliding scale. There are no 5* players, IMO, that one B10 would take but others would refuse on academic grounds. NW excepted.

[Da Geezer]

best comparison of conferences I can find:

http://www.usnews.com/education/articles/2009/03/03/college-rankings-by-athletic-conference

rankings are 2010 even though it is dated 2009

[iam416]

Yeah, we all know the ACC and B10 are garde better academically. I think, however, that barely trickles down to athlete admissions. They let in subpar students and generally steer toward certain silly majors. SOP.

[lineygoblue]

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/2012/05/LoganTillmanPhoto_Feat-thumb-333x210-112947.jpg

[Chuck Mallory]

Way to go Logan!

[Mackenzie]

Pocic to LSU

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/ct-spt-0530-prep-foot-pocic-lsu,0,4433806.story