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UM Football Recruiting - by WM Wolverine

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  • Dan:

    The best point in that piece is that recruiting rankings continue to be in flux until the end of the cycle. However, by the time you get to the end of it, the amount of information is considerable the decisions generally well-informed. Your new recruit probably hasn't had many services, if any, take a hard look. But, if he verbals to M they have to because, first and foremost, they need to rank M in their team rankings. They'll probably see he's a solid 3* or whatever and give him the appropriate ranking. Then maybe he gets an invite to a post-season game or gets a chance to otherwise show out against "elite" competition, and his ranking jumps. For example, Sims and Gemon Green and Cameron McGrone seem like good candidates to bump their rating coming off of whatever post-season game they play in (I assume Sims and McGrone will play for sure, not sure about Green). Oh, and Christian Turner.

    Finally, I do think it's appropriate to address one point -- they notion that "Coach thinks he's good enough for the program, so he must be great!" or the like. I think the point here is that you trust your coaches if they're selecting between 3* and even low 4* players. Those players are probably fairly comparable and you can certainly see one coach like one player way more than the services. However, if the coach could have landed a 5* player then don't think for a minute they wouldn't have done it. It's just that those players aren't possibilities.

    I'm going to use an OSU example -- and I apologize in advance if it's out of bounds -- but I think it's contextual and fair. OSU took Master Teague at RB. He's a higher 3* player. The reason they took him was that they couldn't get Zamir White or Lorenzo Lingard. However, they also specifically took him over other higher rated kids in his range (e.g., Taivon Thomas is the 17th RB and Teague is the 21st). So, it wasn't like they "chose" Teague over the superstars in the class; but they did "chose" Teague over the 2nd-ish tier kids in the class.

    IMO, that's a more nuanced understanding of taking kids that are in the mid-to-high 3* range.
    Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
    Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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    • Teague example is a really good one and is mostly what we've seen under Harbaugh. The talent difference between the #12 player at a position and the #30 isn't always significant.

      Harbaugh values effort, character, toughness & coach-ability more than the recruiting services and differently than other coaches. That's why Harbaugh let Erik Swenson go to Oklahoma when Swenson didn't feel the need to compete at a M camp for an offer that Swenson felt he had already earned.

      Early returns from the 'projects' (mid 3-stars and below) from '16 have been positive, kids are working into the 2-deep already as red-shirt freshman, true sophomores; Josh Metellus, Michael Dwumfour, Sean McKeon, etc...

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      M, Ohio State and ND offers hold the same weight in the mid west as an Alabama offer does in SEC country. When these programs offer a recruit, they get a lot more attention than they would've otherwise.

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      • I think you can even localize it a little more -- an OSU or M in-state "OFFER" is a big deal. Neither staff is in the business of stringing along in-state kids with OFFER/offer or whatever. It's a bad look to "process" in-state kids either before or after NLOID. I assume that if HARBAUGH offers or takes an in-state kid then they really like him.

        I imagine the same is true with the likes of Alabama and Georgia and LSU. Whereas with OSU and M, those are states that they have to do whatever they can do get some sort of foot in the door.
        Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
        Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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        • Class of '18 Recruiting Board

          Offense

          QB: Joe Milton
          RB: Christian Turner
          & Michael Barrett
          WR: James Graham
          TE: Luke Schoonmaker & Mustapha Muhammad
          OT: Jalen Mayfield, Ryan Hayes & Nicholas Petit-Frere
          OG: Emil Ekiyor & Daniel Faalele

          Defense

          DT:
          Rick Sandidge, Tyler Friday & Michael Thompson
          DE: Aidan Hutchinson
          LB: Cameron McGrone & Otis Reese
          CB: Myles Sims, Gemon Green &
          Josh Jobe
          S: German Green, Sammy Faustin & Bryan Addison

          Added some longer shots to fill-out the recruiting board. Maybe time to make a '19 recruiting board with recruits committing earlier and earlier.

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          • German Green is a great name.
            "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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            • Faalele is the one I care about most -- huge prospect. Harbaugh gets extra credit for finding him.

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              • Originally posted by Detroit Dan View Post
                Faalele is the one I care about most -- huge prospect. Harbaugh gets extra credit for finding him.
                He's listed at 6'8" but he's an OG?

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                • Not sure if the coaching staff will even take him at this point.

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                  • Why not?

                    Sounds like he has ridiculous upside.

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                    • Hinton in!
                      Atlanta, GA

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                      • 5⭐️ DE Chris Hinton (# 1 SDE & # 9 overall prospect) Michigan's second five-star in the class of 2019 Wow!!

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                        • This is great to hear. Is why the determined moping is uncalled for, and IMO the right take on recruiting is to be on the fence but prepping to hop off onto the positive side.

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                          • Man, Herron and Hinton as the DEs to begin the class is PREtay pretay nice.

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                            • Way too early, Class of '19 Recruiting Board
                              QB: Michael Johnson Jr.
                              RB: Quavaris Crouch, Noah Cain, Eric Gray & Daniel Carter
                              WR: Kyle Ford & Isaiah Williams
                              TE:
                              OT: Devontae Dobbs, Logan Brown & Trevor Keegan
                              OG: Nolan Rumler & Michael Tarquin

                              DE: Chris Hinton & Stephen Herron Jr.
                              DT:
                              George Kalaftis & Mazi Smith
                              LB: Charles Thomas, Gemon Eaford, Anthony Solomon, & Marvin Grant
                              CB: Julian Barnett
                              S: Brian Williams

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                              • thanks, WM. Good stuff.

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