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[Rob F]

But now, every B10 game is televised and the penalty would necessarily injure so-called innocent bystanders

If it hurts some "bystanders", so be it. If a U of M vs. PSU game or 2 or 3 are not televised, I'll live. The suffering and inconvenience to us all collectively will be nothing compared to the suffering of those victims.

[Hannibal]

Sorry, but I disagree (but not directly with your explanation) on the grounds that a TV Ban would drive home the sanctions in a way nothing else can---first and foremost, no TV would mean that the victims and their families (and yes, also those who wish to offer their moral support of the victims) would not be subjected to seeing PSU football being broadcast as if nothing ever happened. I think it would also take away the single biggest engine of visibility for the program---TV---and therefore further penalize Penn State.

I think that watching Penn State lose to MAC teams might suffice. I wouldn't be shocked to see them lose to a I-AA team.

[Ghengis Jon]

True enough. UM didn't need sanctions to lose to Appy State.

[Mike]

True enough. UM didn't need sanctions to lose to Appy State.

But they did self-impose a 3 year RichRod penalty after that debacle.

[Rob F]

But they did self-impose a 3 year RichRod penalty after that debacle.

:::insert cymbal crash here:::

[Tom W]

Oh, I don't doubt that, either. Everybody in happy Valley was so blinded by JoePa AND in such fear of JoePa that it is highly likely that the story got sat on for a long time.

Good point, Hannibal.

I would say that a lot of that blindness was self-inflicted. As bizzare as the worship of Paterno was, there's no excuse for NOBODY in the Penn State fanbase ever calling attention to the things that were going on there.

?Vacating wins? is a joke ? only statisiticians could care. Sorry, but you can?t erase history and nobody could dismiss Paterno?s victories any easier than we can forget Henne to Manningham in 2005.

Fines are a joke as well- they?re probably already been accounted for by the Matt Millen types of the Alumni base- the same people that build the pedestal that Paterno jumped up on and never bothered to question anything about Sandusky-These people needed to be denied the "Penn State experience" for a while.

[Rocky Bleier]

Emmert just helped his favorite team (OSU) again. But Pennsylvania boys looking for leadership without corruption should look toward Ann Arbor.

[Mackenzie]

B!G censures PSU, puts athletic department on probation for 5 years, declares PSU ineligible for CCG for 4 years, and makes PSU ineligible to share in conference bowl money for four years

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/163409646.html#!page=0&pageSize=10&sort=newestfirst

[THE_WIZARD_]

The censure is no biggie...and they weren't going to the CCG during this time frame anyway...but losing the bowl money...ouch.

[Mackenzie]

From the Detroit News....

"NCAA president Mark Emmert announced the staggering sanctions at a news conference in Indianapolis. The NCAA stopped short of imposing the "death penalty" — shutting down the Nittany Lions' program completely. But the punishment is so severe it's more like a slow-death penalty."



Seems like a fairly accurate description.



From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz21Sg7E0Mn

[entropy]

[Mackenzie]

Couple of interesting, or not so interesting, tidbits from the HERD this a.m.....


The 2010 Ohio/PSU game has been vacated by both teams so the game never happened.


In the now last official win by PSU, Mike McQuerry (sp) was the quarterback.

[Rob F]

Couple of interesting, or not so interesting, tidbits from the HERD this a.m.....


The 2010 Ohio/PSU game has been vacated by both teams so the game never happened.


In the now last official win by PSU, Mike McQuerry (sp) was the quarterback.

appropriate.

both tidbits, that is...

[UMStan White]

A major point that most people are missing is that Penn State signed off on this agreement. By doing so, Penn state waives any "due process " rights it may have. (my guess is that most commentators who are screaming "lack of due process" don't even know what constitutes "due process".At the very least it means being given an opportunity to be heard and present evidence and witnesses to refute the charges brought against you. It's analogous to a guilty plea in a criminal case. The plea waives any "due process" rights the accused has such as a right to hearing, a right to confront witnesses, the presumption of innocence, the right to compel witnesses to testify on one's behalf, the right to be found guilty only if the evidence convinces a jury of one's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. PSU may have felt coerced to sign the consent agreement, but daily literally thousands of defendants are "coerced" into pleading guilty because they have no alternative. PSU has chosen to fold its tent, take the punishment and not fight this. If anyone is lacking in "integrity" in this power play, once again its Penn State who has chosen it could give a shit about the "greater good" of preventing Pandora's box by vigorously fighting the charges and sentence levied against it.

I don't know how many here listened to the press conference this morning, but when Emmert was asked why the NCAA did not conduct its own investigation, he responded that the extensive investigation conducted by Freeh was more comprehensive than any investigation EVER conducted by the NCAA.

[Mike]

I don't know how many here listened to the press conference this morning, but when Emmert was asked why the NCAA did not conduct its own investigation, he responded that the extensive investigation conducted by Freeh was more comprehensive than any investigation EVER conducted by the NCAA.

I noticed that too. Of course, if you believe Jay Paterno and Graham Spanier the Freeh report is a work of fiction and leaves out important details, namely the innocence of Joe Paterno and Graham Spanier.