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**lineygoblue** · September 15, 2013, 12:39 PM

Fair enough, Tony.

I'll argue that the officials handled the situation correctly. Had the clock shown 14:39 left in the 4th, this wouldn't be an issue. They'd have had a quick discussion, sat the ball down, and gave the "ready for play". The fact that the clock was running with :15 to play is actually irrelevant. They handled the situation the same way as they would have at any other point in the ballgame.

Both teams had a dog in the hunt as far as the clock was concerned. ASU wanted the clock to run, and Wisconsin wanted it to stop. No matter what the officials did, they were going to "benefit" one team or the other.

You can't get around it. With that situation, one team is going to figure they got screwed no matter what the officials did.

**WM Wolverine** · September 15, 2013, 01:15 PM

I saw it not a question of one team getting screwed or the other but a confusion by the refs for took nearly 10 seconds debating whether and where to spot the ball. The ASU player that jumped on the ball and held on to the ball confused the situation (imo this deserved a delay of game penalty.) The officials needed to act decisively yet the spotter looked very confused and indecisive not sure what to do and robbed Wisconsin a chance to spike the ball.

**Ghengis Jon** · September 15, 2013, 02:07 PM

Too freakin bad for Wisky. I hope this churns in the guts of their fans FOR YEARS. Although I pull for Big Ten teams in OOC games (yes, even the osu Bleeding Hemorrhoids), I will never be saddened by a Wisky loss. Attend one of their home games wearing opponents colors and find out first hand what classless buffoons their fans really are. I hope Sports Center runs that clip of time running out as their program intro for the rest of the season.

**lineygoblue** · September 15, 2013, 02:39 PM

We've been screwed playing PAC 12 teams so many times ...

The Rose Bowl "phantom touchdown" still burns in my gut ....

**THE_WIZARD_** · September 15, 2013, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by lineygoblue View Post

Fair enough, Tony.

I'll argue that the officials handled the situation correctly. Had the clock shown 14:39 left in the 4th, this wouldn't be an issue. They'd have had a quick discussion, sat the ball down, and gave the "ready for play". The fact that the clock was running with :15 to play is actually irrelevant. They handled the situation the same way as they would have at any other point in the ballgame.

Both teams had a dog in the hunt as far as the clock was concerned. ASU wanted the clock to run, and Wisconsin wanted it to stop. No matter what the officials did, they were going to "benefit" one team or the other.

You can't get around it. With that situation, one team is going to figure they got screwed no matter what the officials did.

EFZ. Why the fuck didn't they just run the clock to 3 seconds and spike it on the play before? You have no timeouts...you don't take a chance like that just to center the fucking ball. This clusterfuck is on Wisconsin. Not the officials.

**whodean** · September 15, 2013, 02:49 PM

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**Wild Hoss** · September 15, 2013, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by THE_WIZARD_ View Post

EFZ. Why the fuck didn't they just run the clock to 3 seconds and spike it on the play before? You have no timeouts...you don't take a chance like that just to center the fucking ball. This clusterfuck is on Wisconsin. Not the officials.

Agreed. You do not run the ball with no TOs and 18 seconds to play, period.

If you do, your QB needs to go completely to ground and hand the ball to an official, not do a mircosecond quasi-kneel and drop the ball on the ground like a jackass.

For God's sake, he only moved the ball about ten feet to the left anyway. WTF was the point in that?

**THE_WIZARD_** · September 16, 2013, 10:03 AM

No shit.

**lineygoblue** · September 16, 2013, 11:35 AM

Agreed. If you are a "top" B1G program, as Wisconsin claims they are, they should have a kicker on their roster, who can come in and kick an extra-point-distance FG from a slight angle.

**entropy** · September 16, 2013, 12:06 PM

I think it's called over-coaching

**Jeff Buchanan** · September 16, 2013, 06:34 PM

This is interesting. it shows M right where I think they should be among B10 rivals - right in the middle, below the contenders and above the pretenders.

Most distressing is the horrible 3rd down conversion percentage for the D. This is nearly RR era bad.

I think it is because opponents are getting good yardage on first and second down, leaving easy third down conversions.

This is the downside of the burn clock, bend, don't break defense which always works when you've got a comfortable lead (14-17 points), aren't turning the ball over and can respond to an opponents score. But, Good God, man, in a close game, you better not be pulling that shit.

Bring 'em on first downs until the opponent can prove they can beat the pressure. I never saw that approach until late against Akron and it worked pretty well. More times than not Pohl couldn't handle the pressure. If I recall, he got one big play off when he red the blitz perfectly, his max protect buddies held up and he hit a nice sideline deep route.

The Status Of The Big Ten After Three Games | mgoblog

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The Big Ten had a bit of a rough weekend overall, as you undoubtedly know. That being said, when the conference was winning, it was winning rather handily as the average margin of victory was almost 18 points. When it was losing, it was losing by a reasonably competitive 8 points on average. The best and worst performances when it comes to margin of victory – quality of opponent notwithstanding – belong to Michigan State and Nebraska respectively. SCORING OFFENSE AND DEFENSE: Three games into the regular season, there are six Big Ten teams still averaging over 40 points per game on offense, including Michigan (sixth in the Big Ten at 42.7 points per game). Bolstered by its initial outing, Indiana still leads the way at 50 points per game on average. The worst performer here, again “bolstered” by its first performance, is Purdue. When it comes to points against, Nebraska and Purdue are having strangely similar luck in not stopping anyone from scoring as they essentially share the worst track record after three games. Wisconsin, whose average includes two shutouts, has the best statistics here. POINT DIFFERENTIAL: Here is the average point differential. Purdue currently is the only team that runs at a deficit. TOTAL OFFENSE AND DEFENSE: Over three games, Indiana, Wisconsin, Northwestern and Ohio State have all managed to average over 500 yards of offense, with Michigan coming in a respectable sixth here at 449.3 yards per game. Only three teams are below 400 yards of offense per game at this point (small sample, opponent strength, disclaimer…). On the other side of the ball, there is a clear leader here – Michigan State. Michigan sits in the middle of the conference here and Illinois owns the worst statistics here at nearly 500 yards per game given up. Indiana and Northwestern are right up there as well. YARDS PER PLAY DIFFERENTIAL: Three teams in the Big Ten actually have negative YPP differentials right now: RUSHING OFFENSE & DEFENSE: So, as you might expect, the team still getting the most out of its ground game is Wisconsin, and you have to go all the way down to the ninth spot in the conference to find Michigan’s average rushing yardage on offense. That being said, we do a decent job of stopping the run typically, so at least this is not Indiana. PASSING OFFENSE & DEFENSE: Indiana and Illinois are the most prolific teams when it comes to attacking defenses through the air right now, both averaging over 300 yards of passing per game. Michigan sits at fifth in the conference. As for defending against the pass, this is where we didn’t do ourselves a lot of favors this past Saturday. We are seventh in the conference in passing defense, tied with Purdue of all teams. THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS: I’ll let the conference stats speak for themselves here, but with regards to Michigan, we are very good at getting them so far, but as you’ll note, we’ve given quite a few up. The average differential for Michigan, in fact, is 6.7%. SPECIAL TEAMS: Here is kickoff return and punt return information for the conference:

**WingsFan** · September 16, 2013, 09:50 PM

Suddenly that game in EL looks like M will be an underdog.

**Pasadena Blue** · September 16, 2013, 10:47 PM

B1G is definitely a JV league.... Can't blame Urbz for leaving the SEC for this.... He can win this sorry ass conference without breaking a sweat.

**whodean** · September 17, 2013, 11:50 AM

It's been this way for years.

**Tony G** · September 17, 2013, 12:24 PM

That's the problem with remembering things. Back in the Perles era it seemed like Purdue, State, and Illinois were always in the hunt too but that's been a while ago.

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