Around the Big Ten

[Tony G]

Lewis Black with a take on Texas. I was talking about NY'ers vs. Texans but I think they deserve each other.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-17-2013/back-in-black---new-york-versus-texas?xrs=share_copy

[Whitley]

There is little doubt that Texas would be an excellent addition to the Big 10, but there would have to be a couple teams coming with them. Also have to keep in mind is that the Big Ten expansion has been to adjoining states. That would mean Kansas (currently AAU but with a crazy legislature that might endanger that standing), Oklahoma (who is not an AAU but seems serious about becoming one) coming along with Texas. That would put the Big Ten at 17 and mean that they would be looking to add 3 more schools.

Have to think that the Big Ten would look to the East and the top 3 targets would be Virginia, North Carolina and Duke. If that happened then the Big Ten would have hemmed in the SEC and the Big Ten would be the premier football and basketball conference.

POD 1: Duke, UVA, UNC, Maryland, Rutgers

POD 2: Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, UT and Iowa

POD 3: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana,

POD 4: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois

[Rob F]

There is little doubt that Texas would be an excellent addition to the Big 10, but there would have to be a couple teams coming with them. Also have to keep in mind is that the Big Ten expansion has been to adjoining states. That would mean Kansas (currently AAU but with a crazy legislature that might endanger that standing), Oklahoma (who is not an AAU but seems serious about becoming one) coming along with Texas. That would put the Big Ten at 17 and mean that they would be looking to add 3 more schools.

Have to think that the Big Ten would look to the East and the top 3 targets would be Virginia, North Carolina and Duke. If that happened then the Big Ten would have hemmed in the SEC and the Big Ten would be the premier football and basketball conference.

POD 1: Duke, UVA, UNC, Maryland, Rutgers

POD 2: Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, UT and Iowa

POD 3: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana,

POD 4: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois

I'd prefer Georgia Tech to Duke. But that's just me, as I am a much bigger fan of CFB than of CBB. We don't need another weak-ass ACC football team (Duke) that would give us two teams in the state of NC. It would be a lot bigger coup on the part of the B1G to get a foothold right in the middle of SEC country by picking up Georgia Tech. Yeah, they'll always be 2nd fiddle to UGA in Georgia, but GT does have a good, if not consistant, track record in both football and hoops.

[iam416]

Duke would not be a preferred target, IMO.

They are for me -- the idea of putting a hoops league together with KU, UNC, Duke, Indiana, Michigan State, Ohio State, Michigan, Maryland...is unreal.

But, I don't the B10 values Duke that highly.

[WM Wolverine]

Duke has a lot of value in basketball, they are a 'national' basketball brand. I think they add a ton of value to the BTN basketball inventory; one of the reasons the BTN is so successful is the quantity of basketball inventory it carries.

That said, not sure if I want to add them, especially if the B10 adds NC from the same state. It would depend heavily on who else the B10 adds with Duke.

[hack]

IMO -- and this is a very IMO IMO -- you cannot be for anything that breaks up the Duke-UNC rivalry. That's a shitty thing to advocate, esp for an M/OSU fan. I would absolutely hate to destroy that. Recently was just talking to an uncle who taught at G'town in the late 70s and through the 80s. Some great stories from that time. It's an absolute fucking shame what's been done to the G'town/Cuse rivalry.

[whodean]

The ACC is off limits for the Big10

[hack]

Let Delaney know, not us.

[whodean]

It's just reality, $50mil buyout hike last fall took it off the table.

There is nothing I'd like more from B1G expansion than an Atlanta presence but it ain't in the cards.

[hack]

My impression was that it's really the ACC's Grant of Rights deal that gave the conference a bit more of a future than it supposedly had, but it's not as if any of us actually knows how this is going to go down. Folly to pretend that Delaney couldn't have seen that coming and has no work-around fix. He may have a stupid vision but he's not a stupid man and he's surely got his bases covered in a few ways. From my perspective frankly there's nothing I'd like to see less than the Big Ten in Atlanta, but we're all just going to have to wait and see what happens. Today is looks like the conference will expand to the west and south; earlier it looked the opposite. No sense in predicting as if there's something truly firm on which to base a prediction. My only prediction is that they will continue to pretend academics are a factor.

[whodean]

My impression was that it's really the ACC's Grant of Rights deal that gave the conference a bit more of a future than it supposedly had,

Exactly, these moves have locked down the remaining ACC schools.

[hack]

Exactly, moves remaining ACC schools.

Exactly, we'll see how it all goes down.

[entropy]

BIG12 is where the robbing will be the easiest.

[whodean]

Much more likely.

[hack]

Much more reasonable. But to think that the ACC is locked down now simply assumes that Delaney is stupid. Which is a stupid assumption.