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[Whitley]

Machiavellian in me says you target who you'd want from the ACC (if anyone) before even giving a phone call to Washington, Oregon, etc... You can get the Pac 12 leftovers whenever you want but you're competing with the SEC for the universities in the ACC...

I do think ND is finally forced to join a conference (SEC & B1G together make the rules going forward), not sure what's in their contract with the ACC but supposedly they can't join a conference for football unless it's the ACC. With that in mind, who are your ACC targets among North Carolina, Duke, Notre Dame, Florida State, Clemson, Pitt, Virginia.

Notre Dame UNC
Duke

if you are are looking at 24 then I would add

Oregon
Virginia
Florida State
Colorado/Arizona St.

[THE_WIZARD_]

EFZ

[Whitley]

The reality is that Norte Dame is the next domino to fall. I don't see them as a fit for the SEC. But with their deal with the ACC they can take their time and try to get the best deal possible.

Also Big Ten has said they got a lot of applications from the PAC 10. Going to take time to sort all of that out.

If Stanford becomes next PAC to join Big Ten does that seal the deal for ND? Would ND gives up their games with USC and Stanford? Or would they be more inclined to join the Big Ten and be in a pod with USC,UCLA and Stanford?

[AlabamAlum]

1) Northwestern is also a private university that is in the Big Ten.

2) While CFB is a driver and the primary on the sports side. MBB is also the other money maker in college sports. You need content for the other months of the year.

3) TPTB ie the presidents/chancellors of the university care a great deal about the academic side. And they are the ones that have the final decision not the ADs. Given the Big Ten has the CIC as well they are not going to take in universities that are an academic oasis. Is it an absolute iron clad that s university has to be an AAU school no currently Nebraska isn't one. Nor is Norte Dame (but no one thinks they are not a very good academic school). But if you are not you have to have something else that is very compelling such as brand (Notre Dame), or a great market (Arizona State being in Phoenix).

Arizona State says they are not AAU members because they are not selective enough with undergrad admissions. IDK if that is true or not. If that is the case it seems fixable enough.

1) Sure, NfW is private. So is Vandy. My comment was about state legislature influence. The president of a university answers to a board and the board of a public university is greatly influenced by the state legislature. Not so much with privates.

2) ? Did you read what I said? I said basketball would be a consideration. It will not be the driving force. Great football and a National following will get you in easily. Great basketball and no football needs some sweeting (reputation, package deals, whatever).

3) Okay. Like I said, It has been my experience that graduate research does not care about undergrad athletics. The BigTen may be different (most of the time- except with the Huskers and the romanced Domers). And, yeah, the “they need something else” to be offered is true. And the something else is great football and a National following.

[iam416]

IMO, if ND opts in then you can talk about further expansion. At least 1 more and maybe 3. But, if ND doesn't opt in, then you sit at 16.

The B10 has done the valuations on potential candidates. This won't take long IF Notre Dame says they're in.

[AlabamAlum]

From a political perspective, UNC is more wed to NCS than Duke. But I also don't think UNC would want to jettison Duke.

And it's a CFB decision. That's the value add. Not ADDITIONAL grant money.

However, CBB live game inventory is also a value.

But, yes -- it's a CFB decision. And the B10 and SEC are clearly positioned to more or less tell the world to fuck the fuck off.

Agree with everything you said.

[crashcourse]

hell why not just expand to 32 apiece for a total of 64

Big 10 plays the sec in the super collegiate bowl every year. 16 teams make the playoffs

all 64 make it for Bball

anybody not in the 64 ie kstate is just shit out of luck

sec/big 10 replacing the entire ncaa apparatus

it suddenly doesnt feel that far off

[crashcourse]

big 10 and sec will have a surfeit of teams and acc pac 10 big 12 leftovers will be toast

[AlabamAlum]

There aren’t 32 teams worth having in the SEC and 32 in the BigTen.

Hell, we’d have to take dregs like K-State. Nobody wants that.

[Jeff Buchanan]

I like Pro Football's AFC NFC Model for CFB with something like 4 divisions of 4 teams each. Everyone I talk to likes the trend line. The only controversy involves which teams and how many end up in the two CFB leagues and the lack of a framework for the Big and SEC to get where everyone wants them to go. That includes fans and probably most of the deciders that will be involved in managing the transition.

[lineygoblue]

I think Talent mentioned this earlier. The driver for all this is football, and the secondary push is that the Big Ten and SEC are not going to allow the NCAA to control football anymore. These two super conferences are going to tell everyone else what CFB is going to be. Its where all the money will be.

Other minor conferences will still exist in the NCAA, but the money won't be there anymore. Some schools may end up having to eliminate football.

[THE_WIZARD_]

STFU

[Da Geezer]

IMO, if ND opts in then you can talk about further expansion. At least 1 more and maybe 3. But, if ND doesn't opt in, then you sit at 16.

The B10 has done the valuations on potential candidates. This won't take long IF Notre Dame says they're in.

Are you going to represent ND in the lawsuit that the ACC will surely bring if ND joins the B10?

[AlabamAlum]

Are you going to represent ND in the lawsuit that the ACC will surely bring if ND joins the B10?

Dont you think it will be settled and end up with the ACC getting a buyout check? That’s how the other defections have been handled.

[THE_WIZARD_]

I am surfeited of this topic.