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[THE_WIZARD_]

Everybody speeds. But M was speeding at 150mph and driving recklessly.

"Everybody speeds". Correct. Not everyone drives 150mph.

[Mike]

I think it’s more like we were doing 90 on the interstate.

[THE_WIZARD_]

Incorrect.

[THE_WIZARD_]

You were doing 150...now you must lose your license....like Joe Walsh did...

[iam416]

The Houston Astros example is almost the perfect comparison. I don't think a single person here defended them when that scandal broke and everyone understood that what they were doing was way and well beyond normal sign stealing.

It's not almost. It is.

[THE_WIZARD_]

There is going to be a punishment. A severe one.

[Mike]

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[THE_WIZARD_]

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[Jeff Buchanan]

1. Sign stealing is not illegal.
2. Scouting game films is not illegal.
3. ADVANCED SCOUTING (which is what Peeping Stalions was doing...on steroids) is NOT legal.

NCAA Bylaw 11.6 deals with "Advanced Scouting." Let's examine item 3 more closely.

Stalions has denied he violated any NCAA Bylaws. Michigan has not admitted that any staff member violated NCAA Bylaw 11.6. Further clouding the picture is that outside of Michigan itself, what is actually alleged in the NOA is not clear. If the NOA alleges that M violated NCAA Bylaws it is not bylaw 11.6. Below is a link to the construction of that argument when rumors of NCAA violations started circulating late last year. Bylaw 11.6 has gone through several updates and revisions since 2011. This is where it stands now:

11.6 Scouting of Opponents.

11.6.1 Off-Campus, In-Person Scouting Prohibition. Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited, except as provided in Bylaw 11.6.1.1.

11.6.1.1 Exception -- Double-Header Events or Tournaments. An institution's coaching staff may scout future opponents also participating in the same tournament at the same site or the same double-header at the same site.

That’s the entire rule at that point in time.

The important thing to note is the NCAA’s stated rationale for stripping down the rule:

Rationale: As a result of the Presidential Retreat in August 2011, the Rules Working Group was formed and charged with reviewing current Division I rules with a view toward reducing the volume of unenforceable and inconsequential rules that fail to support the NCAA's enduring values, and emphasizing the most strategically important matters. This proposal is part of a package recommended by the Rules Working Group designed to accomplish those objectives. In the interest of simplicity and consistency, it is appropriate for one rule regarding scouting to apply to all sports. In most cases, video of future opponents is readily available either through institutional exchange, subscription to a recording/dubbing service or internet sites accessible to the general public.

Those last two sentences are key:

In the interest of simplicity and consistency, it is appropriate for one rule regarding scouting to apply to all sports. In most cases, video of future opponents is readily available either through institutional exchange, subscription to a recording/dubbing service or internet sites accessible to the general public.

This is not ambiguous at all. The NCAA is saying that there aren’t any restrictions on obtaining video of future opponent, even through paying a third-party for them. It would be too burdensome to even try to enforce such a thing given the technological capabilities available to everyone.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MichiganWolverines/comments/17fxhqn/is_the_ncaas_hand_attempting_to_be_forced_by_the/

[THE_WIZARD_]

Oh yes the rules are going to be more clearly defined moving forward as it has been on the Rules Meeting Agenda for awhile now. Helmet communication is going to reduce the exposure of signals but it won't eliminate it.

[THE_WIZARD_]

Hell M probably has Stalions working on stealing radio signals as we speak...

[Jeff Buchanan]

Wiz, re your picture posted above: has anyone confirmed by testifying before the NCAA during it's investigations that led to the NOA that yes, that's Conner Stalions on the CMU sidelines for the CMU- MSU game last year? ...... uhh, no. Stalion's hasn't confirmed it was him and stated that it doesn't even look like him.

It seems no one can prove he was there or if he was there he was recording video of M future opponent MSU's signals in violation of 11.6. It's possible evidence may come up at some point (ESPN claimed it has proof) but, so far, there is none.

[Cody_Russell]

I think it’s more like we were doing 90 on the interstate.

More like 75 MPH in a 70 MPH zone. While ignoring all of the other cars that drove 80, 85, 90 MPH (etc) over the years.

Prior to NIL being legal: Paying players under the table. Buying recruits cars. Making payments to recruit family members. And so on. I would rather M do that and get all of the 5 stars. The only difference is M was sloppy and dumbassed about it.

or you know, if the private investigator story is real. Sad if so. Someone would care that much about a kids’ game.

[THE_WIZARD_]

Oh ok...I'll take your word and Stalion's...no worries. Glad we resolved that.

[THE_WIZARD_]

You M fans really are delusional...

If this is so petty....why did you fire Stalions....errrr.....I mean why did he "resign"...why did you kick "Uncle T" off your list of boosters?

LMAO