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[Tony G]

Liney, FWIW I think the comments your initial statement drew were mostly pertaining to your assertion that his rights had been affected somehow. I think even Deb's "ignorant" jab was at that aspect of it.

[lineygoblue]

I got that, Tony.

Still, I think I'll restrict my ignorance to commenting about Michigan athletics (where I can be wrong, but lovable) and I'll also do my best to keep my mental illness in check so as not to infect others ... :-)

[Mike]

You better not be contagious!

[Dr. Strangelove]

Liney, next time you see your boss, call him an asshole. If he tries to fire you, complain your freedom of speech is being violated. He'll back down, guarantee it.

[lineygoblue]

I'd do that Strangelove, but he'd probably agree with me. He knows he's an a-hole.

And that's not what Mr. Robertson did anyway. He was asked about his beliefs, and he gave an honest answer. He didn't threaten anyone for disagreeing with him. He didn't demand that A&E agree with him. He stated his heartfelt beliefs.

He didn't say that gays, lesbians, transgendered, etc., should be shot, hanged, abused or denied any civil rights. Anyone who bothered to read the entire article, knows this. He was in fact, quite conciliatory in many ways. Much moreso than some others (i.e. Westboro) that I've seen.

He also talked about the kind of man he used to be. He was into drugs, he was abusive to his wife and children, and he was a drunk. All of those things changed when he became a Christian.

Maybe he would have been better off as far as LGBT and A&E are concerned had he not changed his life?

Interestingly, one prominent world leader went on record and stated that gays, lesbians, transgender and the like should be shot, stoned, or buried alive for their transgressions. This leader was not ostracized for what he believes, .. but instead was invited to speak at Columbia University in New York upon his visit to the UN.

Interesting on how subjective our outrage can be, isn't it?

[Mike]

There was plenty of outrage about the speech at Columbia. It just didn't turn into a raging inferno flame war on the internet. I'm simply shocked at how big this thing is with Robertson. When I woke up yesterday morning I had never heard of him in my life. When I first saw the headline I just thought, oh well, another celebrity that says something that isn't PC and he got in trouble. Big f'n deal. It happens all the time, but for whatever reason and judging from the anger, you would have thought that the ghost of Bin Laden wiped his ass with the constitution and slapped Nancy Reagan in public. I mean, there are real actual problems that need to be addressed. Not some boob from a reality TV show. It's a sad commentary on our society.

[UMStan White]

Once again, gotta agree Mike

[Ghengis Jon]

Part of the issue is that this nation has fostered an attitude of self righteousness. People seem to believe they have a constitutional right not to be offended. Sorry folks, it ain't that way. I happen to be a daygo, guinea, goombah, wop, greaseball, spaghetti sucker. If identified as such, I'll nod my head in agreement. If I'm called out in a hateful manner, I'll still nod my head in agreement and simply understand the caller is an ignorant a-hole. But I won't be bothered. The world is full of idiots and I don't swoon in faux outrage. I can't change others' belief structures nor do I have a mandate to change them. Stupid is as stupid does. If there's no hateful or violent intent, just ignore it. Who cares, its an opinion that different than yours.

Besides, it's from a perpetrator of "reality show" TV. You know, so-called entertainment for people with IQs less than 40. If you're taking time out of your (already too short) life to watch Honey Boo Boo, Kim Kardashian, Snooky, Duck people, whatever, then you've gotten much bigger problems than what some dufus that stimulates those dimwits have to say in the first place.

This is just another indication of the willingness of people to be professional victims. Oh look at me! I'm offended! Call the PC police and show them how upset I am!

Go see a freakin dermatologist and have a couple of layers of skin added for pete's sake.

[iam416]

The professionally outraged are hugely annoying. And it does, of course, bridge all ideologies. I suspect a fair amount of the country is "outraged" over the ongoing "War on CHRISTMAS"! However, I will concede there's probably no group more sensitive than the gay folks -- perhaps rightly so given relatively recent history. But they are the cause du jour, and any bad word will be smote with righteous condemnation in a most annoying fashion.

This guy's comments about pre-Civil Rights black communities, though, are devoid of any religious basis and truly imbecilic.

[hack]

I'm just glad our moderator has the wisdom and prudence to lead by example in staying away from politics here on the forum.

[whodean]

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[Tony G]

I got that, Tony.

Still, I think I'll restrict my ignorance to commenting about Michigan athletics (where I can be wrong, but lovable) and I'll also do my best to keep my mental illness in check so as not to infect others ... :-)

I'd do that Strangelove, but he'd probably agree with me. He knows he's an a-hole.

And that's not what Mr. Robertson did anyway. He was asked about his beliefs, and he gave an honest answer. He didn't threaten anyone for disagreeing with him. He didn't demand that A&E agree with him. He stated his heartfelt beliefs.

He didn't say that gays, lesbians, transgendered, etc., should be shot, hanged, abused or denied any civil rights. Anyone who bothered to read the entire article, knows this. He was in fact, quite conciliatory in many ways. Much moreso than some others (i.e. Westboro) that I've seen.

He also talked about the kind of man he used to be. He was into drugs, he was abusive to his wife and children, and he was a drunk. All of those things changed when he became a Christian.

Maybe he would have been better off as far as LGBT and A&E are concerned had he not changed his life?

Interestingly, one prominent world leader went on record and stated that gays, lesbians, transgender and the like should be shot, stoned, or buried alive for their transgressions. This leader was not ostracized for what he believes, .. but instead was invited to speak at Columbia University in New York upon his visit to the UN.

Interesting on how subjective our outrage can be, isn't it?

Liney,

For starters, "our outrage" on this board has been limited to remarks about his comments on the happy life Jim Crow era blacks had in the south and on your misapplication of the first amendment here to suggest GOB Phil was being denied his rights. The only one I've seen in here beating their chest HERE about homosexuals is yourself.

[lineygoblue]

I'm just glad our moderator has the wisdom and prudence to lead by example in staying away from politics here on the forum.

I only do these things because I know you care, Hack. You are always watching out for me ...

[lineygoblue]

Tony - could you please point out the post where I was beating my chest about homosexuals? I don't recall that one.

And I humbly apologize for my ignorance in assuming that the US Constitution protects individual liberties ONLY when they are violated by the US government. I guess Rosa Parks must have been the exception ... although I have known some bus drivers who think they rule the world .. and the road ...

[Tony G]

Tony - could you please point out the post where I was beating my chest about homosexuals? I don't recall that one.

And I humbly apologize for my ignorance in assuming that the US Constitution protects individual liberties ONLY when they are violated by the US government. I guess Rosa Parks must have been the exception ... although I have known some bus drivers who think they rule the world .. and the road ...

He didn't say that gays, lesbians, transgendered, etc., should be shot, hanged, abused or denied any civil rights. Anyone who bothered to read the entire article, knows this. He was in fact, quite conciliatory in many ways. Much moreso than some others (i.e. Westboro) that I've seen.

one, you're setting the bar awful low if you're using Ralph Phelps as the moral measuring stick.

In addition, I feel it is only right that I suspend myself from making additional comments due to my mental illness, (I'm homophobic..) which has been proven to be a fact by all clear thinking people.