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The writer makes a lot of very good points.

Paterno needs to go, if only for the fact that he's been collecting a salary for masquerading as a coach for about the last 10 years ...

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Rogue Programs like OSU & Penn State that sully the Big Ten's reputation must be purged from membership. Sorry DSL, you gotta go.

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COLUMBIA, Mo. -- Bye-bye Big 12, hello SEC.

After weeks of private flirtations and the college sports' equivalent of prenuptial negotiations with their respective lawyers, Missouri and the Southeastern Conference took their mutual attraction public Sunday

First the SEC released a statement welcoming Missouri as its newest member. Later there was a campus pep rally in Columbia, replete with a new SEC banner, the school's marching band and exploding confetti.

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Big 12 Missouri's move to the SEC is just the latest blow to the overall current conference structure, writes Ivan Maisel. Story

Big 12 For more than a century, Missouri and Kansas have waged one of the best rivalries in college sports. Sadly, that Border Showdown is in serious jeopardy with Mizzou's departure to the SEC, writes Jason King. Story

Big 12 Kentucky coach John Calipari is one of many SEC basketball coaches who think Missouri is a good addition to the SEC, writes Andy Katz. Blog

Big 12 Truth is, the Big 12 has only itself to blame for this disaster, the loss of a second founding member of the Big Eight, which turned into the Big 12 when four Texas schools came to town, writes David Ubben. Blog

Big 12 If Missouri joined the SEC right now, ESPN.com's Eamonn Brennan writes, could the conference be the country's best at basketball? Blog

"We are pleased, and we are proud to welcome you to the family of the Southeastern Conference," SEC commissioner Mike Slive told hundreds of students and alumni packed into the campus union. "We know that homecoming is a special tradition here at Missouri. So let me say to the entire Missouri nation, 'Welcome to your new home.'"

Missouri will join the league effective July 1, 2012, by unanimous agreement of the SEC's presidents and chancellors, including Bernie Machen of Florida, who joined Slive at Sunday's announcement in Columbia.

Missouri will compete in the SEC's East division, according to Slive, though a cross-division rival in the conference's West division hasn't yet been chosen. The other East schools are Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee and Vanderbilt.

Missouri will be leaving the Big 12, a conference it has been a part of since 1907, including its days as the Big Eight and earlier incarnations such as the Big Six.

The school could also face the end of annual athletic contests with neighboring Big 12 survivor Kansas, a rivalry with roots in the Civil War. The teams first met on the football field in 1891, the sport's oldest traditional matchup west of the Mississippi River. Their college basketball battles also began in the 19th century.

The Big 12's uncertain future drove the move, said Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton, who until last month was the conference's board chairman -- and public face of the league's fight for survival after losing Nebraska (Big Ten) and Colorado (Pac-12) last year and later Texas A&M, which will join Missouri next year in a 14-team SEC.

"We were looking for long-term stability as a university and who we were associated with, who we're going to develop long-term partnerships with, where we could have financial security," said Deaton, who cited "continuing instability in the conference we were in" while avoiding any mention of the Big 12 by name.

The announcement came as no surprise after Missouri's governing board gave Deaton the permission to change leagues in early October and then granted him broad authority two weeks later to negotiate directly with the SEC.

From that point on, it seemed only a matter of time before the Tigers said goodbye to the Big 12 -- especially after an SEC vendor mistakenly posted a congratulatory press release on the conference website that welcomed Missouri. The premature announcement was hastily removed.

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Wesley Hitt/Getty ImagesMissouri will be leaving the Big 12, a conference the Columbia, Mo., school has been a part of since 1907, including the league's days as the Big Eight.

The delay was likely due to concerns over the timing of Missouri's departure as well as the amount of the financial penalty the school must pay the Big 12 for breaking its contract. A confidential report provided to The Associated Press suggested the school could owe the Big 12 as much as $26 million, though both Nebraska and Colorado negotiated significantly lower exit fees than what they were legally obligated to return.

Deaton said Missouri and the Big 12 have not determined amounts but that all such costs will be covered by the school, without help from its new conference.

The Big 12 needed to have a replacement for Missouri lined up, because the conference needs 10 schools to fulfill its TV contracts. The conference took care of that and bid farewell to Missouri 10 days ago, when it invited West Virginia from the Big East to join. The league did not even list Missouri among the schools it anticipated would be competing in the Big 12 next year. Texas Christian -- which had pledged a move to the Big East -- will instead join the Big 12, effectively taking the place of Texas A&M.

"The decision by the University of Missouri to leave the Big 12 Conference is disappointing," interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas said in a statement Sunday. "I personally believe this decision is a mistake and that Missouri is a better fit in the Big 12."

Despite what the SEC and Big 12 plan, the Big East could have a say in when Missouri and West Virginia will be allowed to start competing in their new conference homes.

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Big East commissioner John Marinatto has been adamant about enforcing the league's 27-month notification period and holding West Virginia in the conference for the next two years. West Virginia recently filed a lawsuit challenging that rule and the Big East countered with a lawsuit asking the courts to make the school abide by its contract.

The Big East is in rebuilding mode now and is expected to start adding new members in the next few days. The league last week approved inviting Boise State, Navy and Air Force for football only and SMU, Houston and Central Florida for all sports.

Its goal is to form a 12-team football league, but even if all the schools it is targeting accept invitations, there are various hurdles that would have to be cleared -- including waiting periods and exit fees -- to have them in the Big East by 2012.

Deaton said he doesn't expect the legal dispute between West Virginia and the Big East to derail Missouri's plans for a quick exit, alluding to "assurances" that the Big 12 won't try to block an imminent Missouri move.

"While there's ongoing work to be done, we are confident that we will be able to successfully erase any concerns about those issues," he said.

News of Missouri's move wasn't received very well in Kansas, which released a statement by Deaton's counterpart decrying the "century-old conference rivalry('s) end." Like her men's basketball coach Bill Self, Kansas chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little suggested the Jayhawks' disappointment -- and Missouri's unspoken betrayal -- could scuttle the border showdowns.

"Missouri's decision may have implications for fans and for the Kansas City area, but it won't affect the long-term strength of the Big 12," she said.

Missouri athletic director Mike Alden, by contrast, spoke of his school's "tremendous amount of respect for the University of Kansas" and pledged to keep the annual rivalry alive in all sports.

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Mizzou adds more territory to our footprint, brings high quality academics and a good athletic program to our league. As a former assistant in the Big Eight, and as a guy who grew up in that region, I think I understand pretty well that we've added a good one.
? -- Georgia basketball coach Mark Fox

A carry-over rivalry with the Aggies can only help Missouri's football recruiting efforts in Texas, which has become fertile ground for coach Gary Pinkel and his staff over the past decade.

Conversely, SEC coaches now have recruiting inroads to St. Louis and Kansas City.

"We can recruit where we want, but it's nice to have Texas and St. Louis and be able to say now that those areas you're going to be in playing in and have press coverage," Kentucky men's basketball coach John Calipari told ESPN.com on Sunday night. "I just think those two schools are like us -- with solid TV following and great fan support. Texas A&M and Missouri have unbelievable followings and great academic programs. I think they'll both come in and be NCAA tournament teams."

Georgia basketball coach Mark Fox said the addition of Missouri in particular is extremely good for the SEC.

"Mizzou adds more territory to our footprint, brings high quality academics and a good athletic program to our league," Fox said. "As a former assistant in the Big Eight, and as a guy who grew up in that region, I think I understand pretty well that we've added a good one."

In basketball, Arkansas will likely become Missouri's top SEC rival, with former Tigers coach Mike Anderson taking over the program this year after a successful stint in Columbia.

Calipari said he still wants to see the SEC add two more schools to get to 16, while Alabama coach Anthony Grant suggested revisiting the division split after the addition of Texas A&M and Missouri.

Vanderbilt vice chancellor David Williams, who oversees athletics, said he doesn't expect further SEC expansion- for now, at least.

"I think we're set at 14," Williams said. "Our thoughts were we need to go to 14 (after adding Texas A&M) for balance and scheduling."

He also acknowledged that further changes in the conference realignment landscape could easily scuttle that prediction.

"Actions push reactions. I don't know what happens elsewhere," Williams said.

[Jamie H]

So, let's say Paterno had reported these allegations to the police. What do you think would have happened? It would have been a case of he-said/he-said and I suspect nothing would have come out of it unless some victims came forward. Sandusky would have denied it, and would the cops have taken the word of the GA over him?

The real people that should be getting hammered here are the people who worked with the kids charity who were notified that Sandusky was doing this and yet kept putting kids in contact with him. These were not Penn State kids. The only real connection to Penn State is that Sandusky was using Penn State facilities for his attacks and Penn State moved to take that away from him right after discovering it. They notified the charity about it. Why did the charity keep letting Sandusky get to the kids?

Let's play a hypothetical. You have a roommate. You come home and walk in on him in a situation where you think he is raping a girl. You call the cops, but you don't know the girl and she runs away immediately and never goes to the cops. What are the cops going to do? Without a victim there is no way to prosecute a crime. I doubt they would arrest your roommate based on your story. You have no proof of anything.

I'm not saying JoPa did enough to stop this, but even if he had called the cops I'm not clear that they could have done anything to stop the guy without a direct complaint from a kid or a kids family. I'm not even sure how much evidence they have to have to start an investigation. Is reporting a 2nd-hand allegation enough to get them to look into it?

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Homosexual , pedophile Jeffery Dahmer was beaten to death with a mop handle in prison after it was learned that a security door was left mysteriously unlocked. A special hell is reserved for the entire PSU football staff, AD Department and any other culpable party. A page right out of the Ohio State University playbook.

Report: Sandusky worked out on campus last week

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Former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky worked out in the Penn State weight room last week, Yahoo! Sports’ Dan Wetzel reported.

According to Yahoo! sources, Sandusky was seen working out multiple times in the Lasch Football Building last week.

Sandusky is charged with sexually abusing eight boys over a period of 15 years.

Sandusky retired in 1999 but continued to use the Penn State facilities. University officials said Sunday they were banning him from campus in light of the charges.



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Homosexual , pedophile Jeffery Dahmer was beaten to death with a mop handle in prison after it was learned that a security door was left mysteriously unlocked. A special hell is reserved for the entire PSU football staff, AD Department and any other culpable party. A page right out of the Ohio State University playbook.


LOL but well put. That's human nature on display there, unadulterated by the folks in marketing or legal. Dahmer's fellow inmates probably didn't feel they had to conduct themselves in a manner that did not injure the reputation of the institution they represented...

[Jamie H]

Not that it really matters, but I don't think Dahmer was considered a pedophile in the strictest sense. Usually pedophiles are people who sexually abuse pre-pubescent children. Most of the people Dahmer killed were older than he was. I think he mostly killed male prostitutes.

As to Sandusky still working out at Penn State facilities, if they really knew what was going on, that is gonna look really REALLY bad.

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Since you raised it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer"]Jeffrey Dahmer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Convictions:
Child molestation,
Disorderly conduct,
Indecent exposure,
Murder,
Public intoxication

[Jamie H]

Child Molestation and Pedophila are not the same thing. Sexually assaulting anyone under the age of 18 is I believe called child molestation. Pedophila is pretty much reserved for prepubecent children, probably 13 or 12 or younger.

[Jamie H]

Of course, I'm talking clinically. I think many people commonly refer to any child molester as a pedophile even if that isn't clinically correct. Medcally, a pedophile is defined as someone who primarily wants to have sex with prepubescent children.

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According to the Pennsylvanian Criminal Code 21.501. Definitions.

The following words and terms, when used in this subchapter, have the following meanings, unless the context clearly indicates otherwise:



(i) A recent act or failure to act by a perpetrator which causes nonaccidental serious physical injury to a child under 18 years of age.


Sexual abuse or exploitation—The employment, use, persuasion, inducement, enticement or coercion of a child to engage in or assist another person to engage in sexually explicit conduct or a simulation of sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing a visual depiction, including photographing, videotaping, computer depicting or filming, of sexually explicit conduct or the rape, sexual assault, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, molestation, incest, indecent exposure, prostitution, statutory sexual assault or other form of sexual exploitation of children.

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/049/chapter21/subchapEtoc.html

[Jamie H]

That is a definition of child abuse, not pedophila. Yes, child abuse or child molestation is an act against anyone under the age of 18.

Pedophila, in contrast, is considered a psychological condition in which a person primarly wants to have sex with prepubescent children.

All pedophiles are child molesters/abusers. But not all child molesters are pedophiles. Again, from the medically clinical definition. Lots of people misuse the term.

[Jamie H]

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia"]Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 or older) typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary).

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I didn't know about that distinction, but it sounds like a good one to make.

[Jamie H]

It doesn't really matter. I prefer referring to Dahmer as a fucking psychotic piece of garbage. But that isn't a clinically approved term.

I have too many doctors & nurses in my family.