The Rest of College Football

[hack]

That was horrific. But do note the response: the banners aren't up there, Chris Webber still is persona non-grata, and after putting the basketball program to bed for a decade, Michigan's coach is the basketball twin of Mr. Rogers. It was perceived as a failure not to be repeated, unlike many other places where it isn't. Michigan owned up to it.

[Wild Hoss]

Michigan always does right...even when cheating in unprecedented fashion. A true model for the rest of us with no recruiting violations or unbannered banners to follow! heh

[hack]

Damn right.

[Hannibal]

Michigan always does right...even when cheating in unprecedented fashion.

We have never cheated in unprecedented fashion. The only thing unprecedented is the good faith effort that we made to take institutional responsibility for it and then punish ourselves accordingly. Hopefully, we won't be that stupid again.

[AlabamAlum]

Michigan has never been caught cheating on such a manner.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Listen, AA, they've never, ever done it. Their biggest mistake has always been to trust that its peers (of which there are none) would live up to the same high moral and ethical standard.

[Hannibal]

If Jim Tressel were held to the same standards of proof as our basketball program during the Fab Five era, then there would be a smoking crater right now where the OSU football program used to be. You guys played it smart though. Cauterized the wound, admitted to nothing, etc.

[Wild Hoss]

So you'd say that Michigan cheats, and is stupid about it?

Seems like an institution to be envious of, for certain. :-D

[hack]

YES. You're no stranger to this board; so you know there's a strong feeling about institutional folly on behalf of the athletic department. We hope we are coming out of that period. Hannibal is 100% right about how stupid Michigan has been in a way in handling this stuff.

[hack]

Tressel is a great example. We are 25 years on from Chris Webber taking money from Eddie Martin, and Webber is still persona non grata in Ann Arbor. A mere one year after Tressel's career unravelled, this is what happened when he came back to Columbus:



This is why I get to say that the rest of you suckers will never know the joy of winning CLEAN.

[Jeff Buchanan]

If I've got my stories straight, the programs where the NCAA has been more or less forced to levy significant penalties consistent with their established protocols has been when Federal authorities subpoenaed testimony in ancillary criminal or tax matters.

I don't know about SMU but the others in the current period that have been hammered by the NCAA, they've benefited in their ability to justify those hammerings by evidence that came to light as the result of Federal investigations or prosecutions.

Michigan, OTH, put it's head on the chopping block and let the NCAA fire away. That's not a defense of M's wrong doing. It is just that the rest of the college sports world, when faced with accusations of misconduct and wrong doing, and entirely within their legal right to do so, admit as little as possible. That renders it nearly impossible, absent subpoena power and in the presence of the meager investigative capabilities of the NCAA, to get to the facts. Failing that, program officials and fans then argue , "well, this is all they found and it's not much; we're fine here; nothing to see." In this manner these programs doing that avoid rightful accountability and essentially fail to act within the spirit of fair competition that the NCAA would hope it's member schools adhere to.

[Wild Hoss]

This is why I get to say that the rest of you suckers will never know the joy of winning CLEAN.

Except for the fact that you, y'know, cheat. So I get to say "LULZ".



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[Dr. Strangelove]

They cheat. But they cheat dumb. And therefore, there's a pride in that.

[AlabamAlum]

lol

[Wild Hoss]

Would you go so far as to say the cheat dumbly?