The Rest of College Football

[Hannibal]

It's an imperfect story, but a lot of the logic the people are using to refute it is bullshit too. Like the "disgruntled players" excuse. Of course your information comes from "disgruntled" players. Players who are happy with the system have absolutely nothing to gain from reporting on it. The "biased reporter" excuse isnt a be-all, end-all either. Bias is important to take into consideration, but it is not your carte blanche to write off any facts that you don't like.

SI's claim that the story had dozens of sources who independently described the same situation hasn't been refuted. They obviously didn't fact check all of what they were told, and that is certainly a concern. The important question to ask is whether the the lack of fact checking was so pervasive and significant that it undermines the substance of the entire story. In this case, I would say that it's not even close. It least not yet. If you find two flaws in an article that makes 50 claims, you don't get to automatically write off the other 48 as being completely fabricated.

[entropy]

some of those guys in the stories where big Nebraska leans and suddenly were not interested...

I have no doubt the general premise is correct.

[Tony G]

Dohrmann writing a horseshit article about an OSU? No fucking way.

Ha!

[iam416]

Hanni:

You're actually right. I agree.

I find it interesting, however, to see how the perception has changed. There was none of this on his article about Ohio State (except from OSU fan boards). Johnny Manziel sells his autograph and no one really cares. TP is ghastly. It seems like public perception is now at a point where there isn't much of an appetite for stories about shit that is amoral and is perceived to occur frequently. 2 years ago ESPN was running anything they could find.

And that's not to say Ohio State was treated unfairly. I do think if the same story broke today, the coverage would be different. For better or worse.

[Hannibal]

Hanni:

You're actually right. I agree.

I find it interesting, however, to see how the perception has changed. There was none of this on his article about Ohio State (except from OSU fan boards). Johnny Manziel sells his autograph and no one really cares. TP is ghastly. It seems like public perception is now at a point where there isn't much of an appetite for stories about shit that is amoral and is perceived to occur frequently. 2 years ago ESPN was running anything they could find.

This is a good point. There are credible allegations that Okie State became competitive by running a payola machine and absolutely nobody gives a crap. IMHO the stage is set for the death of phony amateurism and it's only a matter of time at this point.

[entropy]

Hanni:

You're actually right. I agree.

I find it interesting, however, to see how the perception has changed. There was none of this on his article about Ohio State (except from OSU fan boards). Johnny Manziel sells his autograph and no one really cares. TP is ghastly. It seems like public perception is now at a point where there isn't much of an appetite for stories about shit that is amoral and is perceived to occur frequently. 2 years ago ESPN was running anything they could find.

And that's not to say Ohio State was treated unfairly. I do think if the same story broke today, the coverage would be different. For better or worse.

espn doesn't want to damage the SEC product they just purchased..

[iam416]

Concur re amateurism on the deathbed.

Concur re ESPN's massive conflict of interest (one of many...a dollar to anyone who can find hockey coverage on that network at the moment).

[entropy]

and if they go after oSu, they'll look even more like hypocrites..

best to change the discussion to the players should get money..

[hack]

Hanni:

You're actually right. I agree.

I find it interesting, however, to see how the perception has changed. There was none of this on his article about Ohio State (except from OSU fan boards). Johnny Manziel sells his autograph and no one really cares. TP is ghastly. It seems like public perception is now at a point where there isn't much of an appetite for stories about shit that is amoral and is perceived to occur frequently. 2 years ago ESPN was running anything they could find.

And that's not to say Ohio State was treated unfairly. I do think if the same story broke today, the coverage would be different. For better or worse.

You inferior neanderthals lowered the bar for everyone. Congrats on your head start in the Race To The Bottom. I hope you're proud of yourselves.

[entropy]

Read from the bottom up, Jim Delany tonight on the "pay the players"

Rittenberg/Bennett @ESPN_BigTen 56m

".. I don't want to give those things up. Why? Because we're wildly successful in football and basketball?"
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"Being a full-time student is basic, providing opportunities for women is basic, providing Olympic sports opportunities for men is basic…"
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"… Why don't we have it in football, basketball? Why is it our job to be minor leagues for professional sports?"
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"… We have it in baseball, we have it in golf, works pretty good, we have it in golf, we have it in hockey …
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Delany: "We ought to work awful hard with the NFL and the NBA to create an opportunity for those folks …
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"...I think I can be very successful because I think what we offer, for most kids, is superior to what the minor-league experience would be"
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More Delany: "I'm willing to give up the benefit. If there's so much value here, let them handle that value. Let them extract it. …"
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"is get a restructure, get a deal, get an outcome that is more sensible for the 21st century."
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Delany: "If the only way is pay-for-play, then the courts will decide that. Congress will have to figure that out...What I'm worried about..
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Delany "… We'd be better off in a lot of cases. We would have less tension about kids who are in school who maybe don't want to be there."
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"Would you rather be in the D-League in the Dakotas or would you rather be playing here? I think some kids would rather be in the D-League..
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… It just doesn't fit. But we should do what we can do, which is kids are full-time students, which means they want to be here."
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JD: "We can't do Title IX and have professional sports in basketball and football, and have lots of opportunities. It's not going to work...
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Delany: "...They can get as strong and as fast in that environment as they can in this environment. Plus, they don't have to go to school."
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Delany: "You don't have to play for the Redskins or the Bears at 17, but you could develop IMG. There are lots of trainers out there …"
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"it's about you, then talk to John Havlicek about that, talk to Michael Jordan about that. These brands have been built over 100 years."
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Delany: "We've been training kids for professional sports. I argue it's the color, I argue it's the institution. If you think …"
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Delany. "… But don't come here and say, 'We want to be paid $25,000 or $50,000.' Go to the D-League and get it."
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Delany: "Train at IMG, get agents to invest in your body, get agents to invest in your likeness, and establish it on your own. …"
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Jim Delany just talked w/ several of us about pay-for-play debate. Said those who want to go pro should do so right out of high school
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Committee will be 12-18 members, probably 12-15. Will be sitting ADs or frmr players, coaches, admins or media. Will meet 6-10 times/year
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[entropy]

interesting thoughts... to some extent, it might solve some of the problems..

I still think scholarship athletes should get more... 25K per year is too much, but the should get more spending money. jmo

[iam416]

"We can't do Title IX and have professional sports in basketball and football, and have lots of opportunities. It's not going to work...

This is the Wooly Mammoth in the room. You simply can't just give football players cash and ignore other scholarship athletes.

[Hannibal]

If football ever develops minor leagues, it will be a catastrophe for college football.

This is the Wooly Mammoth in the room. You simply can't just give football players cash and ignore other scholarship athletes.

Just fire all of the compliance guys and stop telling kids that they can't take money. Problem: solved.

[entropy]

Just fire all of the compliance guys and stop telling kids that they can't take money. Problem: solved.

welcome to the SEC

[entropy]

If football ever develops minor leagues, it will be a catastrophe for college football.



Just fire all of the compliance guys and stop telling kids that they can't take money. Problem: solved.

It would turn Div 1 into the old Div 1AA.

question is would that be bad?