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  • I don't think there's a single program that's 100% on the up-and-up. That's naive wishful thinking at best. There may be coaches who've never broken a rule, but I doubt it. I don't think Woody or Bo knew about players getting paid, but do I think there were "friends of the program" lurking about giving "assistance" to kids who needed help? Absolutely

    I certainly haven't made secret my belief that the longing for the "good old days" when college football was "pure" and "wholesome" is simply nostalgic fluff. I can give a whole bunch of examples of cheating in the Era of Clean Family Wholesomeness but suffice it to say, the NCAA didn't even have an enforcement mechanism until the early 50's. So how much cheating do you think went on before then? A lot.

    There's several hundred times more media scrutiny today than there was in the 40's and 50's. And everyone is now a potential "reporter". If anything, cheating is far harder to hide today than 50 years ago.

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    • Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
      He spoke truth

      No doubt in my mind that some players on Bo's teams, probably without his direct knowledge, receive illegal benefits of some kind. And that goes for Woody's teams too. It would be wickedly naive to think otherwise.

      Thanks for confirming the obvious fact that you are a blooming idiot.

      & btw, DSL loves his Lego.

      Last edited by Optimus Prime; August 17, 2012, 11:42 PM.
      ?I don?t take vacations. I don?t get sick. I don?t observe major holidays. I?m a jackhammer.?

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      • Peas in a pod:

        Terrelle Pryor - Everyone steals

        Talent & DSL - Everyone cheats
        I'll let you ban hate speech when you let me define hate speech.

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        • I'm still wondering who Talent bought that Mars beachfront property from...boy is he gullible...
          Shut the fuck up Donny!

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          • You can't combine Bo's theory was that he didn't want them because that attitude would show up on the field with the idea that he lost b/c he didn't cheat without concluding, that, well, Bo was wrong. Which is a shame, but he was. Cheating pays. But it's possible to win while being relatively clean, and when Michigan does so its players and fans and alums can be that much more proud than those of the other programs after their hollow victories.

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            • In all fairness Michigan probably does cheat a lot less than other programs. At least in football. I just think it's impossible to say and extremely unlikely that in his 20 years at the helm, not one of Bo's players accepted an illegal benefit. And not one recruiting rule was ever broken in going after guys. That's the stuff of fantasy, IMO. And that entirely goes for Woody and OSU too.

              The modern NCAA handbook makes it nearly impossible to remember and keep track of all the rules. At some point someone's going to slip up and break one.

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              • Woody turned in MSU for recruiting violations. Had he been doing the same thing, he would have been caught.

                And yet, ... when you talk to the "average" msu fan, they still blame Michigan for their NCAA sanctions during the Stolz era ....
                "in order to lead America you must love America"

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                • "Just as there have always been rogue programs in CFB for decades, there have also been honest programs and coaches that are 100% on the up-and-up"

                  Ah yes,Penn State comes to mind with that slogan "Success with Honor" As for DSL's claim unfortunately he is right. Both Rob Perryman and Garland Rivers took money from agents while playing for Bo. Be careful about erecting statues to false idols.

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                  • Stan - what about real idols? ;-)
                    "in order to lead America you must love America"

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                    • Benny Blades~"If you break down this team man for man, we have talent to compare with any team."

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                      • Caption for the above picture: "A narcissist, a burned-out rocker, a overpaid diva and a gay guy walk into a bar" ....
                        "in order to lead America you must love America"

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                        • Heh!

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                          • Newswise — August 17, 2012, Chicago, IL—“Food coaches” are becoming as hard for colleges to find as accurate, strong-armed quarterbacks, but 14 of the nation’s top 25 college football teams in USA Today’s preseason coaches’ poll have hired at least one full-time sports registered dietitian (Sports RD) in the past few years to shift the emphasis from feeding athletes to fueling them.

                            All four teams that competed in the last two NCAA Division 1 Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) title games—national champions Alabama and Auburn and runners-up LSU and Oregon, respectively—had Sports RDs on staff. Eight of the top nine ranked schools this year kick off with full-time Sports RDs, while the other one, fourth-ranked Oklahoma, relies upon an on-site sports nutritionist who is aided by the best known Sports RD in the country.

                            Thirty years after then head football coach Tom Osborne created the first specialized role for “performance nutrition” at the University of Nebraska, Sports RDs, or “food coaches” as football coaches often refer to them, are finally part and parcel of a well-rounded athletic program, relied upon now to deliver the same level of day-to-day support for athletes that athletic trainers and strength coaches have been providing for decades.

                            The Collegiate & Professional Sports Dietitians Association (CPSDA), which originally formed in 2009 to facilitate information-sharing in what has become a highly specialized field, now finds itself facing a dilemma few industries are experiencing in these difficult economic times: more demand for Sports RDs than supply of experienced talent.

                            “We’re lending all the assistance we can right now to top athletic departments like Michigan State, Clemson and North Carolina State that are searching for experienced Sports RDs, but it’s getting more difficult all the time,” said CPSDA President Amy Bragg, Director of Performance Nutrition for the defending champion Alabama Crimson Tide.

                            “We also have Special Forces within the U.S. military looking for seasoned Sports RDs,” Bragg added, “and not just those with experience, but RDs physically fit enough to work in the field with troops in training, so we have our work cut out for us.”

                            Third-ranked USC just hired longtime Sports RD Becci Twombley away from UCLA; and the University of Illinois recruited seasoned Sports RD Chelsea Zenner from the University of Florida this week, creating two more vacancies that coaches would like to get filled before kicking off their seasons.

                            “Food coach is the handle Tom Osborne hung on me back in the 1980s when he persuaded me to specialize in nutrition while I was studying to be a strength coach at Nebraska,” explained Dave Ellis, who was elected first President of the CPSDA in 2010 before giving way to Bragg this year. “Coach Osborne (now Nebraska’s Director of Athletics) was the first to create a full-time Sports RD position because he knew that well balanced pre-game meals were only one slice of the apple. Sports RDs are in the recovery business— replenishing expended calories with healthy whole foods and safe nutritional supplements—and the best coaches and athletic directors realize that there’s a science to that.”

                            Ellis is the most widely known Sports RD in the country, and he’s been counseling fourth-ranked Oklahoma for years, just one of dozens of college and professional sports teams he’s worked with after full-time tours of duty at Nebraska and the University of Wisconsin. Ellis is often called upon to lay the groundwork for college or pro teams that want to hire one or more full-time Sports RDs. Ellis, Bragg and the other seven members of the CPSDA Board of Directors don’t need a crystal ball to forecast the future of their profession.

                            “Most major college athletic directors and head football coaches only began viewing performance nutrition on the same level as athletic training or strength training in the past three to five years,” explained Randy Bird, CPSDA Vice President and Director of Sports Nutrition at the University of Virginia. “But it’s not just about football. Virginia has 680 student athletes, and we’d like to teach all of them how to replace the calories they burn with healthy whole foods and safe nutritional supplements. We had to start somewhere, and the high-revenue sports like football and basketball set the standard right now. In the meantime, CPSDA is revving up its continuing education efforts.”

                            Nearly half of the CPSDA’s 664 members today are college students of dietetics, and while most of them express a keen interest in sports and a desire to enter the field after graduation, the job typically requires 70-hour work weeks during the school year, nearly twice the time most of the nation’s 60,000 RDs work in more traditional school and hospital settings.

                            Being a young and still growing national not-for-profit association driven by volunteers, CPSDA has relied largely on its 4-day annual conference in the spring to keep Sports RDs current and to prepare aspiring students for full-time employment. Early in 2013, however, CPSDA will introduce the first of a series of regional one-day “boot camps” for RDs and students of dietetics who are planning to test their mettle in the athletic workplace. The first CPSDA one-day boot camp will be held January 26, 2013 on the campus of Georgia Tech in Atlanta.
                            Grammar... The difference between feeling your nuts and feeling you're nuts.

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                            • As expected, the WAC is folding

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                              • There was only room for one of the MWC & WAC; balance of power shifted back and forth but eventually the MWC came out on top. Hopefully the MWC will pick up its scraps that are worth something; Idaho & New Mexico State.

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