The Rest of College Football

[hack]

I think a read of the whole thread rather than a single post helps put the discussion in context.

[UMStan White]

RE: New York Times piece: Basic due process in a quasi-criminal setting consists of being informed of the charges against you and being given the opportunity to dispute the charges. Contrary to what many people think, basic due process does not necessarily require a person who is charged with infractions be provided legal counsel or is entitled to an attorney or spokesperson. (Certainly in court--burt many forums that are not true legal systems provide a person with the basics of due process without providing legal counsel or even a right to legal representation.) The NCAA provides basic due process to schools charged with infractions. The story in the op ed piece certainly makes it sound like the player did not receive basic due process, but a careful reading between the lines it appears he did. He was allowed to have an attorney respond to the charges on his behalf (although he may not have known it from the start). He was reinstated albeit late, and he received a medical redshirt. He may not have been involved in true plagarism or any other "academic fraud" and the truly sad thing is the NCAA's ability to suspend a player without any formal hearing, thus forcing the player or his school to seek reinstatement many times based upon the fact that no rules have been violated. That being said, the NCAA certainly comes off as being two-faced when it suspends the UNC player for the most trivial matter (and in the end apparently no violation) but allows the TAT5 to play in a bowl game after receiving an admission that the players were ineligible for taking improper benefits. I challenge anyone to find a similar type of ruling in the long history of the NCAA ( i.e.--a player has admittedly committed conduct that rules him or her ineligible under NCAA guidelines but is still allowed to compete in an athletic contest while ineligible) In the end, its the failure of institutions like the NCAA to uniformily and fairly mete out punishment that leads to the total lack of public trust, and when that lack of public trust gets too great, the institution's loss of credibility leads to its collapse. That is what the NCAA needs to guard against, and it is becoming more and more apparent that it can't.

[whodean]

I was kinda sour on the rematch, (plus the 06 Michigan osu thing). But after watching so many Bowls and the high scoring - and invisible D's, I don't like it. This is not arena football or whatever you want to call it, the Richrods NWO have almost have taken over college football. Im now glad the two teams in the NC game are known for defense and im really looking forward to it.

And I don't care if they are from the SEC

Right on WF, but I think we'll see more offense in the rematch than the first game, people forget that both Alabama and LSU average more than 35 points per game (top 15 in the country) when they aren't playing against each other's elite, stacked defenses; neither is likely to get to that point but they'll score in this game

[WM Wolverine]

Benefits of oversigning:

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/oversigning-and-bowl-wins

NCAA needs to puts its own rules in place for this, no more having nearly 95 players on scholarships and finding ways to get down to 85 come August. In the SEC (becoming a trend at some Big XII schools), marginal 'depth' guys who aren't ever likely to start are shown the door in favor of a talented recruit. This is really bad for recruits and it would be nice if recruits actually looked at this stuff before signing their LOI's...

Unsure if I'm in the minority but this is one of the worst things these coaches (mostly in the SEC, particularly the SEC west and USCar) are doing (outside of blatant rules violations like JT); not only are they gaining a significant competitive advantage but they are treating these student athletes like they are disposable when they've shown not to be assets on the football field.

[entropy]

I'm really surprised HS coaches and parents are allowing their kids to go to school where this happens. I guess they all think their kid is going to make it..

[Jamie H]

Of course. EVERY kid thinks he is going to be the big star.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Thanks for that take, Stan ......

The NCAA must be held accountable for their inconsistencies in rules enforcement.

It's too bad that it has to be sports journalists like Joe Nocera that are doing it. Should be the Presidents ..... oh, never mind. No clue at all about big time football. That seems to be part of the problem and has been for decades. Maybe they should be taken out of the loop and the head coaches put in charge.

[Jamie H]

Over the past 30 years the presidents have gotten MORE involved, yet they know even less than ever about football.

[hack]

Copied over from other thread in which this is being discussed:

Thanks for bringing that to attention. It would be great to be a bit more scientific about this and quantify it precisely to the greatest degree possible, and some of the skeptics in that thread asked some very good questions to help get the oversigning issue toward that place. Once it's there -- once it's clear to the greatest extent possible exactly who's doing what -- then you'll see those numbers incorporated into stories in the mainstream media, and you'll see schools embarrassed into transparency, etc. That would be a net positive for college football.

[Jamie H]

BCS restructing meeting schedule--Jim Delany seen as biggest obstacle to a playoff system:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7442352/bowl-championship-series-officials-discuss-possible-format-changes

[whodean]

Jackhole.

[DennisT]

Restructuring should be contingent on leveling the playing field with respect to oversigning.

[Clashmore Mike]

So...are we all tiger fans tonight?


GEAUX TIGERS!

[drok]

You bet

[Paul L]

Maze is a pussy.