The Rest of College Football

[crashcourse]

well like i said when this started--I like the format--some underdog teams having a chance against the supposed big boys--I think 12 is the right number --

arizona state what they were thinking on that 4th and 13 how that guy got so open is beyondme.


bottom ;line reminds me of the ncaa march madness
with no forgone conclusions

if selections are dominated by SEC/Big 10 so be it--the games themselves have been pretty good and not chalk for sure

[Mike]

There hasn't been a single underdog win a playoff game this year.

[iam416]

Nobody will be bellyaching over making the easiest no-brainer common sense decision of all time to get rid of the 4 team auto-byes for conference winners. See DSL's post above about the PAC whatever. That league doesn't deserve ANY auto-bid frankly, let alone a top 4 seed should one of those schools stumble to a one-loss season.

Right. If the argument is nothing will ever be perfect so why bother trying to make it better...then...ok, I guess. But, I'd rather not use our inability to get to perfect as an excuse to ignore obvious improvements.

[Mike]

Christ on a cross, according to Heather Dinich, don’t expect any changes to the CFP format. Per their bylaws any change needs to be approved unanimously. Know who has a vote? The commissioner of the Mountain West.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Isn't Warde the sitting chair? He's an idiot for signing off on that portion of the bylaws .... we already knew that he has idiot characteristics but still. So, we're locked in to stupid? That's stupid.

[froot loops]

If the motion is proposed, seconded and voted on by a majority the chair can't do much.

[Da Geezer]

Any format that treats winning the MW as more valuable than finishing 2nd in the B10 is flawed. Massively flawed. In fact, the whole "winning a conference should count for something" argument is entirely undercut by the fact that not even those defending the format want the MAC or AAC or CUSA winners to automatically get bids (or byes). It's a total acknowledgement that conferences vary in strength. By a fuckton.

So, the logical approach is to take it on a year-by-year basis, assess, the best we can, each team and PERHAPS give conference champion status a plus factor in seeding. But, in no way should it be an AUTOMATIC factor. That's just stupid.

Correct.

IMO they should seed the top 8 teams (I'd use the Vegas odds as a starting point) and play a normal quarterfinal. Then they should re-seed the final four, trying to avoid same-conference games in the semis, much like they did in the old system. Already the top four seeds are out using the "conference winner" metric, and those games were mostly blowouts. In the quarterfinals, higher seeded team lost every game. PSU, ND, and OSU won in blowouts (and they were all favorites, as was Texas).

Also, SOS needs to be considered. I'd put a cutoff at 60th or better as a necessity to even be considered. Indiana had no business being in the playoff. This would encourage more regular season games among the best teams so as to improve SOS.

[Da Geezer]

There hasn't been a single underdog win a playoff game this year.

Vegas underdog you mean. Which buttresses my case that Vegas odds, where real people with real knowledge are betting their own money, is the place to start.

Also, the "portal + NIL" problem is solvible. Any transfer must wait a year. Is someone going to pay Arch Manning $ 3 million per year to sit his first year after he transfers? We gotta cut down on this free agency. Matt Rhule is already talking about having to re-recruit Riola for next year.

[CGVT]

Also, SOS needs to be considered. I'd put a cutoff at 60th or better as a necessity to even be considered. Indiana had no business being in the playoff. This would encourage more regular season games among the best teams so as to improve SOS

The problem with SOS is as I stated above. When half of the SEC is ranked in the top ten to start the season that makes every conference loss a "good" loss and every conference win a "good" win and discourages playing anyone outside of conference that is worth a shit. It makes strength of schedule an imaginary metric.

That is why conference champs getting in is crucial. Had Clemson not won the CCG, 3 loss Alabama, Ol Miss or South Carolina would have been in the tourney.

None of them deserved to be in. None of them.

Indiana was more deserving than they were

Cinderela deserves a ticket to the ball.

[lineygoblue]

Even the professional leagues don't have unlimited free agency every year for everyone. They're limited by labor contracts. Something similar is going to have to take place in college sports. Maybe something along the lines of one portal move every 4 years, with a stipulation that allows another move, but requires the old "sit out a year" transfer rule that used to be in place. And NIL is going to have to eventually be treated like the pros where the money counts against a salary cap, per team. Otherwise, we're going to see NIL explode into hundreds of millions of dollars as richer alums get involved and maybe even corporations become involved.

In the meantime, its a free-for-all and teams/coaches have to hope they pick the right people for the right amount of money.

[froot loops]

Vegas underdog you mean. Which buttresses my case that Vegas odds, where real people with real knowledge are betting their own money, is the place to start.

Also, the "portal + NIL" problem is solvible. Any transfer must wait a year. Is someone going to pay Arch Manning $ 3 million per year to sit his first year after he transfers? We gotta cut down on this free agency. Matt Rhule is already talking about having to re-recruit Riola for next year.

It's not currently solvable because the NCAA agreed to a settlement in May 2024. The NCAA cannot implement a rule like you say. Keep up with the times, they were going to get wiped out in court, so they settled. It's not like this hasn't been reported. Read the articles I post. I'll post another one.

The only way you can truly solve it is by a collectively bargained agreement with an organized union of the players. That will get around anti-trust matters.

[froot loops]

Most of you fellas are trying to solve a puzzle to get to a solution that was like the good old days. But Brett Kavanaugh basically said in the court case that the good old days were illegal:

"Price-fixing labor is price-fixing labor. And price-fixing labor is ordinarily a textbook antitrust problem because it extinguishes the free market in which individuals can otherwise obtain fair compensation for their work." - Brett "I love beer" Kavanaugh

What you are seeing with college sports is the free market at work and a lot of you fellas should be cheering it on!

[iam416]

What would be interesting is if the 2 power conferences set their own rules and the other 95 schools still lived in the Wild West. Antitrust is premised on the ability to fix prices or wages. In the above scenario there’s an argument for sure that nothing is fixed because athletes can seek fair compensation from any of the other 95 schools.

That would actually be a super interesting market power argument in terms of present power vs future power.

Again, the basis of antitrust (until The Chairman took over) is market harm (mostly consumer, but also labor). Just because you’re “big” doesn’t mean you’re causing market harm.

[iam416]

But at least we’re off the idiotic notion of that any old conference champion should get a top 4 seed.

[froot loops]

I'm not sure what you are complaining about, the playoff got you a home game and the chance to see the OSU band for 15 minutes prior to the start of the game. You got that and a easy layup against the Vols. That doesn't happen if you get a bye. On top of that, you are going to win the national championship with this format. You certainly wouldn't have been in under the old system after blowing chunks in The Game.