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  • The Top Ten(not the stupid CFP ranking...this is a different kind of stupid)

    1. Georgia. Here's the thing about Georgia right now...nobody's managed to keep from getting pulverized by their defensive front seven, and it's possible nobody will. But if a team could max-protect all day and manage to keep its offense on the field against this team, I'm not sure Georgia's offense right now could keep up in a shootout. It may be the only criticism of them you can make at the moment, but Georgia's managing to win lopsided games without really lighting things up offensively. They're not Iowa, but it'd be interesting to see how they'd hold up against a team that survives up front well enough to test their secondary.

    2. Oklahoma. Objection #1 to the initial CFP rankings-- OU is too low. I get that they've played to the level of their competition far too often, but 9-0 is 9-0, and they're coming off one of their more complete performances of the season against Texas Tech. I can't see ranking an unbeaten Oklahoma below a once-beaten Oregon team that's also played to the level of its competition, or a one-loss Michigan team that's yet to defeat a ranked team. This may be too high for them, I'll grant, but I think this is closer to right than #8 is. Now that I've said all this, of course, they'll lose at Baylor in a couple of weeks.

    3. Alabama. The Crimson Tide continue their four-game home stand with what figures to be the least compelling Alabama-LSU game in years. They shouldn't face a serious challenge until the Iron Bowl. They're the one team Georgia might face before the playoff that has a chance to spread them out and attack them down the field. It would really make the playoff committee's job hard if Alabama manages to knock off Georgia in the SEC title game. I would think a 12-1 Georgia team would have done enough to get in, but the way this season is going, there could be a logjam for the final two teams in that instance. The only real knock I have against this team right now is their mediocre pass defense, but again, nobody on their schedule until Auburn ought to be able to exploit it all that much.

    4. Cincinnati. Objection #2 to the initial CFP rankings-- Cincinnati is too low. They've come out flat the last couple of weeks and still managed to come away with road conference wins, and if form holds, they'll finish out their season with games against SMU and Houston. They're going to have to hope Notre Dame's current form holds, too, and that looks like a good bet right now, as the Irish stand a very good chance at finishing 11-1. If that happens, it's going to be awfully hard keeping this team out of the playoff.

    5. Oregon. Like Oklahoma, Oregon comes off a game in which it finally saw off an opponent in convincing fashion. The Ducks' passing game is coming together, and they're getting some of their injured personnel back for the stretch run. The stretch run itself doesn't look that daunting-- at Washington, Washington State, at Utah, and then Oregon State-- but the Pac-12's competitive balance(or general ineptitude, if you prefer) means at least one of the games is going to be close. I'm guessing it's the trip to Utah.

    6. Ohio State. For the first time since C.J. Stroud returned from injury, Ohio State looked vulnerable. Of course, they were playing by far the best team they've seen in the last month or so in Penn State. The Nittany Lions give the Buckeyes a game, at least recently, but they've lost nine of the last ten in this series, which is just another indication of how dominant the Buckeyes have been in Big Ten play over the last two decades. They shouldn't have much trouble at Nebraska this week, though the Huskers seem to have mastered the art of losing close, but how are they going to manage Michigan State and Michigan back-to-back to end the season? It's going to be difficult to dial up two A-game performances in a row, and they might have to play that well to get to the Big Ten championship game.

    7. Michigan State. I'll just come out and say it-- I hate this ranking this week for this team. They deserved to move up after the come-from-behind takedown of Michigan. But, unfortunately for the Spartans here, I had nowhere else to put them, as no one ahead of them lost, and as always, I try very hard not to penalize teams that win in this ranking. That does result in the occasional injustice, though, and here is one. It's a short-term one, though, because November always sorts these things out. Michigan State gets a tricky road trip to Purdue this week, then a home game against Maryland, and then the huge trip to Columbus before finishing at home against Penn State. To be more generous to the Spartans, I'll say this-- there are legitimate playoff contenders right now, and then there are a bunch of teams that are going to need some help. The Spartans don't need any help.

    8. Michigan. On the one hand, Michigan missed a huge opportunity in East Lansing. On the other, with the game being as competitive as it was and with so many teams ranked near them losing last week, I can't drop them for that performance. So, at least this week, Michigan is first among the second tier. Their red-zone struggles finally caught up to them against the Spartans, as did their inability to re-establish the line of scrimmage at the defensive tackle position. Also, they got a large dose of rotten competitive luck, but sometimes that's just a function of playing a better team. Michigan can still have an excellent year, but they're going to have to find a way to put this loss in the rear-view mirror quickly.

    9. Notre Dame. Here's Notre Dame's remaining schedule-- Navy, at Virginia, Georgia Tech, and Stanford. That's three losing teams and a Virginia team that is almost entirely one-dimensional(although that one dimenson, their passing game, can be rather good). I don't see the Irish losing to any of these teams. It's kind of remarkable that Notre Dame could go 11-1 against this schedule and not be in the running for a playoff spot, but this schedule gave them only one shot at a marquee win, and they blew that shot on their own field.

    10. Wake Forest. It is perhaps more realistic to say that the ACC simply doesn't have a top ten team this year, but when you've reached November undefeated in a Power Five conference, you deserve a little benefit of the doubt, at least. Wake Forest is a team that doesn't beat itself and does a little bit of everything well, and that goes a long way in the ACC. I tend to think their run gets upended sometime in the next three weeks, as they play at North Carolina, at home against N.C. State, and then at Clemson. But given how erratic those teams have been, I have to admit it's at least possible Wake reaches the ACC championship game 12-0.

    Next Ten: Oklahoma State, Baylor, Texas A&M, Auburn, Ole Miss, BYU, Kentucky, Houston, UTSA, Coastal Carolina

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    • STFU
      Shut the fuck up Donny!

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      • I like M at #8.......Mike and Linesman won't. The've already ceded losses to PSU and OSU.
        Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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        • We’re better than Penn State and deserve to be in the top 10.

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          • Originally posted by Jeff Buchanan View Post
            I like M at #8.......Mike and Linesman won't. The've already ceded losses to PSU and OSU.
            Then we'll agree to disagree.

            Regarding JRB's rankings, I wouldn't put Michigan any higher than 10. But then again he has a few other teams ranked incorrectly as well, IMO.

            Regarding PSU, I'll give Michigan a puncher's chance if they can establish the running game, and hope that Clifford isn't 100%. Oh, and McDonald needs to grasp the NCAA substitution rules. That would help a lot.

            Regarding OSU, I see Stroud feasting on Michigan's DB's all day long. Why would we expect anything different? The kid is averaging 500 yards a game in the air. Michigan is going to stop that?
            "in order to lead America you must love America"

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            • Liney:

              hello
              Shut the fuck up Donny!

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              • Hiya Wiz

                The season is almost over ...

                My top ten

                Georgia
                Alabama
                Oregon
                Ohio State
                Cincinnati
                Oklahoma
                Notre Dame
                MSU
                Wake Forest
                Michigan

                Cincy's going to get screwed because OSU (and everybody above them) is going to have a better record against tougher opponents. Cincy will have one win over 1-loss ND. That's it.

                OSU is in if they win out. No way are they left out after beating PSU, MSU and M, all of whom will have at least 8-9 wins. Cincy can't get past that.

                Georgia and Alabama will decide the SEC championship, with a chance that if Georgia loses, they could still get in, if Oregon or OSU stumbles. If Alabama loses to Georgia, they're out, and I think that's the only door for Cincy to sneak in.

                Oklahoma has no defense. They're a paper tiger. They'll score 56 points, but give up at least 50.

                ND can sneak in but do not control their destiny. Others have to help them.

                The rest, who cares ... stick a fork in 'em all. Until there is a real playoff none of them matter.
                Last edited by lineygoblue; November 4, 2021, 12:48 AM.
                "in order to lead America you must love America"

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                • Regarding OSU, I see Stroud feasting on Michigan's DB's all day long. Why would we expect anything different? The kid is averaging 500 yards a game in the air. Michigan is going to stop that?
                  It could be McNamara feasting on OSU's DBs. M's passing D is ranked #15 nationally. OSU is at 92nd

                  92nd!.......

                  The difference in total yards given up and ypc is significant between these two teams. I don't know which M football team you've been looking at this season but M's back 5 has exceeded expectations by a lot. It's possible that M has faced less capable passing offenses but it would take me longer than I want to spend looking at that.

                  Those rankings should be enough to shoot down this unsupportable assertion of yours.

                  Discover the current NCAA FBS Football leaders in every stats category, as well as historic leaders.
                  Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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                  • Originally posted by lineygoblue View Post
                    Hiya Wiz

                    The season is almost over ...

                    My top ten

                    Georgia
                    Alabama
                    Oregon
                    Ohio State
                    Cincinnati
                    Oklahoma
                    Notre Dame
                    MSU
                    Wake Forest
                    Michigan

                    Cincy's going to get screwed because OSU (and everybody above them) is going to have a better record against tougher opponents. Cincy will have one win over 1-loss ND. That's it.

                    OSU is in if they win out. No way are they left out after beating PSU, MSU and M, all of whom will have at least 8-9 wins. Cincy can't get past that.

                    Georgia and Alabama will decide the SEC championship, with a chance that if Georgia loses, they could still get in, if Oregon or OSU stumbles. If Alabama loses to Georgia, they're out, and I think that's the only door for Cincy to sneak in.

                    Oklahoma has no defense. They're a paper tiger. They'll score 56 points, but give up at least 50.

                    ND can sneak in but do not control their destiny. Others have to help them.

                    The rest, who cares ... stick a fork in 'em all. Until there is a real playoff none of them matter.
                    Wake Forest?
                    Shut the fuck up Donny!

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                    • There's not much difference in the passing YPA -- like 6.2 and 6.8 or something. Ohio State's pass defense is total garbage, no doubt. But, I ain't sold on M's, either.

                      For that matter, OSU gives up fewer overall Yards per Play than M. Barely, but still. And, again, Ohio State's defense is hot fucking shit.
                      Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                      Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                      • It's a pretty interesting statistical breakdown for OSU, actually. They're at some ungodly number on offense -- like 8.25 YPP. And on defense they're at something like 4.8 YPP. (M, I think is 6.4 and 4.9).

                        Against Penn State, OSU was limited to 6.85 YPP and gave up 4.86. Ordinarily, that spells a very comfortable win. But, Ohio State was terrible in short yardage and Sean Clifford was oustanding on 3rd down. So, OSU left gads of points on the field and Penn State more or less maximized scoring. And that was what so fucking aggravating about that shitshow. Unfortunately, I don't think it's an outlier. I think that's just the way Ohio State plays. They're not good enough on offense to really be consistent against a good defense and their defense, while capable of getting a team behind the sticks, is equally capable of being god-awful when it matters.



                        Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                        Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                        • Let's just say that when it comes to which of the two QB's has the best chance of receiving an invitation to the Heisman ceremony, I think Stroud will have a better chance than McNamara.

                          And that's not a slam on McNamara. when it comes to QB's, they are like comparing apples and oranges.

                          McNamara is a Brian Griese TYPE quarterback. Good skills, good game manager, doesn't make drive-killing mistakes.

                          Stroud has the big arm, and big name receiving corps with a coach that game plans every opportunity for them to use their skills.

                          I don't care if its defendable or not. That's the way I see it, and until its proven wrong to me on the field, that's what I'll believe.
                          "in order to lead America you must love America"

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                          • Originally posted by lineygoblue View Post
                            McNamara is a Brian Griese TYPE quarterback. Good skills, good game manager, doesn't make drive-killing mistakes.
                            Just an FYI, Griese was 3-0 against REALLY good osu teams.

                            yeah, they were "Cooper" teams, but they were probably his best 3 teams- they beat just about everybody else, and those 95 and 96 Michigan teams weren't exactly stellar.

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                            • That's why I capitalized TYPE. I'm not ready to say that McNamara has Griese level skills yet. Brian Griese was probably a tad better at game management than Brady was. Brady just refused to lose, and hated everyone around him when he did.
                              "in order to lead America you must love America"

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                              • All good points about the state of M football under Harbaugh in response to my two posts and indirectly regarding OSU pass defense. I appreciate Mike's and Linesman's posts. Mike's arguments in the face of mine are strong. I guess the pregnant question is then, if M loses to PSU and OSU or God forbid to IU or the Terps, should he be dismissed immediately following an OSU loss?

                                In answering this question forget about assessing the likelihood that Warde will or will not dismiss him and just consider whether my argument that while JH is slow he's good with employing a sensible process to get M to a championship level and we should see what happens going forward with the changes he made in the off season, QB development and may adjust further between the 2021 and 22 seasons. It's also worth considering in your answer two other things: (1) who's available and who has a realistic chance of being successfully recruited to replace Harbaugh. (2) Is the predictable outcome on recruiting and retention worth risking cratering a currently good M roster and recruiting class for 2022 and starting over rebuilding it?
                                Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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