Brady Unlimited III: Wolverines in the NFL & NFL News

[Detroit Dan]

Mario Manningham with a big catch. Belichick perhaps not with his best coaching effort...

[entropy]

Has bellchick won since spy gate?

[WingsFan]

No

[iam416]

Correct.

[lineygoblue]

And now, ladies and gentlemen ... the NFL presents yet ANOTHER year of Manning family crap ... 24/7/365 ...

[Rob F]

And now, ladies and gentlemen ... the NFL presents yet ANOTHER year of Manning family crap ... 24/7/365 ...

...courtesy of ESPN

[paul daugherity]

Too many mistakes by Pats players - e.g. Dropped passes, penalties and failure to cover fumbles. The drop by Welker before the Giants go ahead drive was a killer.

[WM Wolverine]

Pass protection was lousy as was the drops. Not enough talent around Brady.

[Mike]

...courtesy of ESPN

Then don't watch.

I feel sick. Just can't believe Brady missed those last two passes on their last real drive. Could have salted it away. I weep for future generations of Americans who will be born into a world where Eli Manning is a 2-time Super Bowl champion. Makes me fucking ill.

[iam416]

Eli has now led two SB winning drives at the end of the game. Accordingly, Eli > Peyton.

[Tony G]

Here's my whack at the total list of winning Superbowl Quarterbacks (also posted in Lions forum)

The Undefeated Elite
Joe Montana – 4-0 and the undisputed best
Terry Bradshaw – also 4-0 Tough QB that made big plays when he had to
Troy Aikman – 3-0 Like Bradshaw and Montana, surrounded by awesome talent on both sides of ball

The Very Very Good
Roger Staubach – 2-2 Losses came against Steelers (never blown out). Ahead of Brady on Strength of Schedule
Tom Brady – 3-2 Down from potentially the best after two consecutive losses
John Elway – 2-3 Blown out badly in first 3 SB. Gets wins because Denver discovered running game
Phil Sims – 1-0 Had near perfect game. SB completion % still a record and moves him up list past many multiple game winners
Bart Starr – 2-0 Different era Gets graded higher due to NFL championships
Jim Plunkett 2-0 Just win baby Blew out Vermeil’s Eagle and the Redskins
Eli Manning – 2-0 Moving up in ranks, nowhere near done yet
Peyton Manning 1-1 Career ranking much greater than his position on this list
Bent Rapistberger – 2-0 1st SB really just managed game, nothing spectacular
Kurt Warner 1-2 First game holds record for yards and passes w/o INT. Later losses move him down list
Len Dawson 1-1 Also 1-0 with an AFL Champ.
Bob Greise – 2-1

The One Win Crowd (with above exceptions)
Bret Favre 1-1 Like Peyton Manning, his career ranking much higher.
Steve Young 1-0 His 6 TDs is a SB record Last win for Niners dynasty
Doug Williams 1-0 His 4 2nd qtr TDs sealed the game after being down 10-0. Skins coasted to win
Aaron Rodgers 1-0
Ken Stabler 1-0
Joe Namath 1-0
Drew Brees 1-0
Joe Theisman 1-1 Win in strike shortened season came against David Woodley as rookie Dan Marino sat on bench. Raiders stomped skins in his loss
Jim McMahon 1-0
Mark Rypien 1-0
Jeff Hostetler 1-0 – Here due to Scott Norwood
Brad Johnson 1-0
Trent Dilfer 1-0

[lineygoblue]

I think Elway, Brady and Staubach deserve their own category, "Much better than their record indicates", or "better than 2/3 of the guys in the undefeated category".

The Linesman "Most Overrated Super Bowl Quarterbacks of All Time"
1. Eli Manning
2. B. Rothlisberger
3. Payton Manning
4. Kurt Warner
5. Aaron Rogers
6. Joe Theisman
7. Terry Bradshaw
8. Jim Plunkett
9. Joe Namath
10. Mark Rypien

[*JD*]

Here's my whack at the total list of winning Superbowl Quarterbacks (also posted in Lions forum)

The Undefeated Elite
Joe Montana ? 4-0 and the undisputed best
Terry Bradshaw ? also 4-0 Tough QB that made big plays when he had to
Troy Aikman ? 3-0 Like Bradshaw and Montana, surrounded by awesome talent on both sides of ball

The Very Very Good
Roger Staubach ? 2-2 Losses came against Steelers (never blown out). Ahead of Brady on Strength of Schedule
Tom Brady ? 3-2 Down from potentially the best after two consecutive losses
John Elway ? 2-3 Blown out badly in first 3 SB. Gets wins because Denver discovered running game
Phil Sims ? 1-0 Had near perfect game. SB completion % still a record and moves him up list past many multiple game winners
Bart Starr ? 2-0 Different era Gets graded higher due to NFL championships
Jim Plunkett 2-0 Just win baby Blew out Vermeil?s Eagle and the Redskins
Eli Manning ? 2-0 Moving up in ranks, nowhere near done yet
Peyton Manning 1-1 Career ranking much greater than his position on this list
Bent Rapistberger ? 2-0 1st SB really just managed game, nothing spectacular
Kurt Warner 1-2 First game holds record for yards and passes w/o INT. Later losses move him down list
Len Dawson 1-1 Also 1-0 with an AFL Champ.
Bob Greise ? 2-1

The One Win Crowd (with above exceptions)
Bret Favre 1-1 Like Peyton Manning, his career ranking much higher.
Steve Young 1-0 His 6 TDs is a SB record Last win for Niners dynasty
Doug Williams 1-0 His 4 2nd qtr TDs sealed the game after being down 10-0. Skins coasted to win
Aaron Rodgers 1-0
Ken Stabler 1-0
Joe Namath 1-0
Drew Brees 1-0
Joe Theisman 1-1 Win in strike shortened season came against David Woodley as rookie Dan Marino sat on bench. Raiders stomped skins in his loss
Jim McMahon 1-0
Mark Rypien 1-0
Jeff Hostetler 1-0 ? Here due to Scott Norwood
Brad Johnson 1-0
Trent Dilfer 1-0

Didn't he lose last year?

[iam416]

You can't go around nicking QBs for "managing" the game or "finding the running game" and go on and trump up Brady, who won his first SB on the back of a great defense -- a defense that scored a TD in that game.

If you're going to nick Roethlisberger for their 21-10 win over Seattle, fine. But you have to do the same for Brady and his 145 yards of passing and 13 offensive points against the Rams. Belichek and his defense won the SB that day.

[iam416]

To put a finer point on it, Brady has now played in 5 SBs. The offense has failed to score more than 17 points in 3 of this 5. That's not elite. That's so-so.