I just think it is odd that Brandon went out his way to make those statements. Obviously, he didn't whine about the numerous other schools that have done the same thing. It's a trivial advantage. Certainly not worth whining about.
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M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.
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Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View PostFrom last year, when Miami hired Al Golden. The NCAA granted a waiver to Miami to allow Stoutland to coach the bowl game and Golden would go out recruiting.
Guess what, folks? This isn't against the rules no matter how much frothing at the mouth you do. Meyer is only allowed to recruit up until Dec. 19th which is the start of the dead period.
Maybe your bumbling AD should go back to making pizzas. It's clear he doesn't know what he's blathering about. And Hoke has started saying stuff too, so he can also STFU.
It never mentioned a waiver.To be a professional means that you don't die. - Takeru "the Tsunami" Kobayashi
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Sorry, might've been wrong link. Try here
Miami, FL (Sports Network) - New Miami head football coach Al Golden began hiring staff Thursday, adding familiar names from his stint at Temple who will begin recruiting immediately for the Hurricanes.
Golden hired three former Temple coaches: defensive coordinator Mark D'Onofrio, defensive line coach Jethro Franklin and defensive backs coach Paul Williams.
None of the men will be allowed to coach until after Miami plays Notre Dame in the Sun Bowl, but the NCAA has granted them a waiver to begin recruiting, something Golden called "an immediate benefit" as he looks to hit the ground running.
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Well it didn't take long for Urban Meyer to break NCAA Regulations but wait, he's just a recruiter, Fickell is the head coach, although fired, re-hired and soon to be fired again, after the Gator...nothing but a cheap two-bit, three-card Monte!
If Gee & Emmert were not "Housemates" while at the University of Colorado, this rogue program would be facing the death penalty already.Last edited by Optimus Prime; December 12, 2011, 09:12 AM.?I don?t take vacations. I don?t get sick. I don?t observe major holidays. I?m a jackhammer.?
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I'm going to send a "join" email to you for the bowl pool. You can forward that on to others who want to join. I probably won't be able to do that until tonight, though.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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Originally posted by iam416 View PostI just think it is odd that Brandon went out his way to make those statements. Obviously, he didn't whine about the numerous other schools that have done the same thing. It's a trivial advantage. Certainly not worth whining about.
This was not some stupidly calculated whiny gaff. It was calculated and the purpose of it was to take the shine off the apple of osu football that has been cleverly polished by the osu BoT with the um hire. That operation changed the dialog for osu from negative to positive.
It may not be as effective as one might have hoped, but in the big scheme of things, how many stupid football fans or poorly informed outsiders with some power to influence any number of issues involving CFB may view this as just another example of osu officials pushing the envelope of integrity. Some I presume and that is Brandon's target audience.Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.
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On a related matter and as it pertains to NCAA Compliance .......
Since it's inception, the NCAA has relied upon a certain level of integrity and good behavior in all actions involving both college athletes and university officials/coaches/administrators. Do what is right is a bed-rock principle of NCAA regulation.
Pretty obvious that when it comes to billions of dollars, people do not do what is right often enough to make this sort of thing work. There is no school not guilty of pushing the limits of NCAA rules, some more than others. The more envelope pushing that goes on, the more the NCAA tries to write rules to keep one program or athlete from gaining a competitive advantage. Hence, the evolution of the unmanageable rule book and the regression of the notion of everyone acting with integrity.
It's not against the rules is a refrain often posted here. Nick Saban over signing and then booting players who don't perform under the guise of academic failure or medical disability is not against the rules but its wrong because it puts his team at a competitive advantage. He knows this and instead of wondering about the lack of integrity this sort of behavior represents, he and staff probably laugh about it.
IMO, this is what osu does. No, a lot of what went on during the tressel era at osu and now with the question of advantage gained by having one staff prepare for a bowl and another out recruiting while other programs, in the same league, have to do both with one staff, is not against the rules but it lacks integrity.
I've got an understanding with my osu counterparts here that tressel may be an upstanding guy who made one big mistake and it cost him. I'm willing to grant tressel may be an OK guy. But it is the lack of institutional credibility and integrity at osu, as evidenced by the collective behavior of many inside that institution, that gets under my skin.
So, DB is pointing that out and for those that are willing to look deeply enough at that, they'll get that. Yeah, its not against the rules but its a way to gain a leg up even if it is a small and insignificant one and it is behavior that gentlemen who play or involved in the organization of the game of football don't engage in. It's what the NCAA would hope they don't have to regulate because their member institutions all act with integrity. Which, of course, not all do.Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.
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It may not be as effective as one might have hoped, but in the big scheme of things, how many stupid football fans or poorly informed outsiders with some power to influence any number of issues involving CFB may view this as just another example of osu officials pushing the envelope of integrity. Some I presume and that is Brandon's target audience.
It's actually quite flattering. That's why I find it odd.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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Nick Saban over signing and then booting players who don't perform under the guise of academic failure or medical disability is not against the rules but its wrong because it puts his team at a competitive advantage. He knows this and instead of wondering about the lack of integrity this sort of behavior represents, he and staff probably laugh about it
Saban's practices are wrong because it screws kids. It's morally wrong and shows a lack of integrity because they fail to honor their word to the athletes and their parents. Hopefully it will soon be "wrong" because it's contra those rules. But, for now, it isn't.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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I should also point out that, technically, the way Ohio State has proceeded on this front is probably a disadvantage.
So far, UFM has not hired a single "new" assistant. The new assistants will likely come in after the bowl game. So, the only "additional" coach recruiting is UFM. Ohio State could have, then, simply dropped one of its assistants, bumped Fickell down and brought in UFM. UFM could have not coached the bowl game (leaving it to Fickell) and focused on recruiting. HOWEVER, under that scenario, UFM would have had an opportunity to actively participate in practice and get a sense of what type of team he has.
As it is, he's cut-off from assessing his team. And he's really a one-man recruiting show right now -- with the help of guys on the old staff that will be retained. The fact that he's able to go out and recruit as well as has WITHOUT A STAFF IN PLACE is amazing. E.g., he can't tell Diamond or Dodson who their OL coach is. That's a huge disadvantage.
All in all, it's trivial thing -- indeed, something that is routinely granted by the NCAA. But, as I said, DB obviously has Ohio State on the mind. And, frankly, for good cause.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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Sure -- both programs look like they're headed in the right direction, at least in terms of putting out better teams in the coming years. It'll be nice to have an even and competitive rivalry, even if you're cheating your ass off to get there. That said, I suspect that he told Diamond, eg, something other than ``No idea who your position coach is gonna be.''
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