M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[Roaring20]

February 2, 2011: Ohio State offensive lineman recruit Chris Carter is arrested the day before Signing Day on a charge of sexual imposition. He is accused of fondling up to eight girls at his high school under the pretense of measuring them for ROTC uniforms. Despite having a confession from Carter, authorities drop the charges five days later, and Carter is allowed to sign with Ohio State.

February 8, 2011: During an interview with NCAA and Ohio State officials, Jim Tressel admits that he knew violations were committed when he did not report what Cicero told him.

March 7, 2011: Yahoo! Sports reports that a source has told them that Jim Tressel knew of the violations in April 2010 and did not tell anyone else. Ohio State Athletic Director Gene Smith accelerates the process of the completion of the university's self-report.

[Roaring20]

March 8, 2011: Ohio State releases its report, disclosing Tressel's violation and announcing a two-game suspension and $250,000 fine for the head coach.

March 17, 2011: Ohio State and Jim Tressel announce that the two-game suspension will be increased to five.

March 25, 2011: It is revealed that Jim Tressel in fact didn't keep the email correspondence with Chris Cicero all to himself. He forwarded the mails to Ted Sarniak, the Jeannette businessman with an affinity for giving gifts to police officers, and friend and mentor of Terrelle Pryor from Pryor's days as the #1 recruit in the nation at Jeannette High School.

[Roaring20]

April 25, 2011: The NCAA delivers a notice of allegations to Ohio State and Tressel, accusing Tressel of failing to "deport himself in accordance with the honesty and integrity normally associated with the conduct and administration of intercollegiate athletics as required by NCAA legislation and violated ethical-conduct legislation when he failed to report information concerning violations of NCAA legislation and permitted football student-athletes to participate in intercollegiate athletics competition while ineligible."

May 1, 2011: Ohio State linebacker Dorian Bell is suspended for the entire 2011 season for an unspecified violation of team rules, with all rumors pointing to a persistant marijuana issue. Bell immediately leaves school with the intent to transfer; his hometown Pitt Panthers turn him away.

[Roaring20]

May 23, 2011: Former Ohio State basketball player Mark Titus posts a lengthy blog post detailing his eyewitness accounts of "an unusually high volume of brand new Dodge Chargers driving around on campus, and just about all of them had tinted windows and rims on the outside with Ohio State football players behind the wheel on the inside."

May 25, 2011: Former Ohio State receiver Ray Small tells the Ohio State student newspaper that he sold items for cash during his time at Ohio State, and he also mentions that "the best deals came from the car dealerships." After facing blistering criticism from former and current Ohio State players, in addition to Ohio State fans, Small backtracks on his story, saying the newspaper twisted his words.

May 27, 2011: Ohio State announces that it will not disclose the correspondence between Jim Tressel and the Jeannette businessman, Ted Sarniak.

[Ghengis Jon]

You know how schmuckeye fans do their Village People - YMCA imitation spelling out o-h-i-o?

It shouldn't be too hard for them to learn L-O-I-C...

[Dr. Strangelove]

Well they moved the other thread and my post got deleted. so to reiterate

1) Little to nothing on this list of offenses earlier than 2010 has any bearing on the current investigation.

2) The list is obviously compiled by someone who wants to imply guilt rather than publish a list of actual violations. As an example:

July 20, 2005: Ohio State athletic officials investigate a possible second NCAA rules violation by quarterback Troy Smith. Smith attended a quarterbacks camp run by Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair, but because Ohio State runs on quarters instead of semesters, Smith may have missed class to attend, which would be an NCAA violation. Jim Tressel declines comment, saying the university's compliance department has not finished its inquiry.

What goes unsaid is that OSU and NCAA cleared Smith of any violations.

http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/412503.html

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TYlIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=3nADAAAAIBAJ&pg=1798,4227732&dq=troy+smith+steve+mcnair&hl=en

So if the NCAA cleared OSU and Smith on this matter, why's it even included? And why not even mention that they were cleared? Because this list wants to imply something's wrong, even when there's not.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Sorry for the delete, DSL .... I must have been in the process of merging while you were posting.

I get what you're saying here ..... but I'm not confident that the NCAA got the full picture on the numerous times it showed up in cbus during the tressel era, usually at the request of osu officials, to have a look.

I'll admit, I see more darkness here then an osu fan might; that's the nature of things. But there is a real lack of clarity regarding the quality of the compliance effort and the kind of atmosphere that existed at osu. It appears that it was one that did not dissuade those athletes who lacked the self control to not take benefits (cars, tats, cash for signed memorabilia, etc). It might have even encouraged it with a wink and a nod.

When you take a list like the forgoing one we are discussing here, its very hard not to wonder, WTF. Perception is reality. When you are in a highly visible position like so many osu athletes are, you can't afford even a whiff of wrong doing ..... you're going to get taken down the higher you climb, the flashier you dress and the fancier the car that you're driving. This can't have gone unsaid to athletes by coaches and compliance office staff yet, the apparent flaunting is stunning. It gives rise to the view that no one really cared, or looked the other way or, worst case, were complicit for their own benefit.

[Roaring20]

Well they moved the other thread and my post got deleted. so to reiterate

1) Little to nothing on this list of offenses earlier than 2010 has any bearing on the current investigation.

2) The list is obviously compiled by someone who wants to imply guilt rather than publish a list of actual violations. As an example:

July 20, 2005: Ohio State athletic officials investigate a possible second NCAA rules violation by quarterback Troy Smith. Smith attended a quarterbacks camp run by Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair, but because Ohio State runs on quarters instead of semesters, Smith may have missed class to attend, which would be an NCAA violation. Jim Tressel declines comment, saying the university's compliance department has not finished its inquiry.

What goes unsaid is that OSU and NCAA cleared Smith of any violations.

http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/412503.html

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TYlIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=3nADAAAAIBAJ&pg=1798,4227732&dq=troy+smith+steve+mcnair&hl=en

So if the NCAA cleared OSU and Smith on this matter, why's it even included? And why not even mention that they were cleared? Because this list wants to imply something's wrong, even when there's not.

Cry all you want this is what has been going on at "that school" for a long time. You can't argue that. Crooked coach, crooked program. End of story.

BTW Clarett was telling the truth back in 2004. When he told everyone what was going on and nobody believed him...... They believe now .

[Roaring20]

Oh I forgot this is on the NCAA report. This is what you get when you search NCAA, Ohio state.

The truth hurts. Well not me I'm a Michigan man!!!!!

[Hannibal]

"Little to nothing on this list of offenses earlier than 2010 has any bearing on the current investigation."

They are relevant once you understand the concept of "Lack of Institutional Control"

"So if the NCAA cleared OSU and Smith on this matter"

Yup. Just like the NCAA cleared Auburn and Cam Newton.

[Dr. Strangelove]

"Little to nothing on this list of offenses earlier than 2010 has any bearing on the current investigation."

They are relevant once you understand the concept of "Lack of Institutional Control"

"So if the NCAA cleared OSU and Smith on this matter"

Yup. Just like the NCAA cleared Auburn and Cam Newton.

Yeah, right. And Smith attending a football camp is on the same magnitude of Cam's dad demanding $200K for his son's services.

But in any case, only what the NCAA determines is of any real importance to me. And they cleared Smith. End of the story for a very insignificant event.

If you want I can compose a similar "chronicle of arrests" for the Michigan program. I could create one for any major program and probably most of the minor ones too.

[Hannibal]

Arrests, yes. NCAA violations, shady behavior, and improper benefits, no.

[Jeff Buchanan]

So, you're thinking no LOIC for your beloved buckeyes?

I'd like to hear the key points of your argument against it. Serious question. I know perfectly well, I have a biased view for it.

[Dr. Strangelove]

So, you're thinking no LOIC for your beloved buckeyes?

I'd like to hear the key points of your argument against it. Serious question. I know perfectly well, I have a biased view for it.

UNC didn't get hit with LOIC, even with a coach acting as a virtual agent, so that makes me think we won't either. The most serious problems have been localized to Tressel so far. If the Talbott stuff gets more proven maybe we can then start talking about LOIC seriously. We can still get very stiff penalties even without LOIC anyways so I don't know why you're all fixated on that, and LOIC doesn't necessary mean Armageddon either.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Arrests, yes. NCAA violations, shady behavior, and improper benefits, no.

Michigan has been found guilty of major rules violations quite recently. Though I'm hardly surprised you would poo-poo that as being much ado about nothing while hyping up a summer camp Smith attended back in 2005 (that the NCAA cleared) as being an act of gross criminality.