M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[Tony G]

Can someone explain to me the procedure Michigan has that would prevent players from exchanging their memorabilia for favors or other items in and around Ann Arbor? Honest question

It's easy. Don't give them shit and they can't sell shit.

[entropy]

Can someone explain to me the procedure Michigan has that would prevent players from exchanging their memorabilia for favors or other items in and around Ann Arbor? Honest question

Michigan players like yellow/gold pants. It hides the pee.. It's not a problem.

[Jeff Buchanan]

One final thought on the subject of prevention and I'm done with it .....

Several osu players before tressel have echoed the idea that players like terrell pryor should not be afforded the opportunity to wear the scarlet and gray of osu. Why is that? Because they don't have the character it takes to wear it proudly. That was imminently clear within months of his arrival at osu ...... same with MoC, maybe TS.

There are probably plenty of decent men who have played for osu under tressel that
didn't participate in the crap that is being revealed. Maybe they knew better, kept themselves clean but also kept their mouths shut because they wanted to do well for personal reasons without causing problems for themselves, for other players and for athletic department staff. A kind of omerta .... and I'm not condoning this. It is reflective of serious ethical problems in any institution where it is better to put up and shut up than speak openly. MoC's experience appears to give support to this view. I am sure there are others with similar experiences .... perhaps the osu teacher that spoke up and supported Clarett's assertions about his class work and was subsequently made to appear to be crazy and was then dismissed.

I think it is unfair to expect 18-22 year olds to step up to the plate and rat out their friends and coaches; it is, on the other hand, the expectation that adults who are in charge of these young man faced with dilemmas like this to act in a way by which men in their charge are NEVER placed in situations like this .... in other words. Act ethically. Set the example. Don't look the other way, encourage honesty and integrity. It is clear to me today that there is plenty of evidence that a lack of ethics goes up and down the chain of command at osu. Time (and the NCAA) will determine the extent of the bad behavior.

At a minimum and with regard to this view, it's obvious to me that tressel didn't understand his responsibility to act ethically. His ethics based on Christan morals were, instead, a sham. The house of cards he built based on these sham ethics crashed around him exactly like they should have. It is unfortunate that decent osu players and decent osu fans have to suffer the ignominy they are suffering because of the failure of this one man to carry out the duty he had to conduct himself as a model of ethical behavior ..... not just speak and write like a moral and ethical man but to act and walk like one.

He failed in that duty and it is that failure, above all other things, that if he had done so, would have been the best preventative measure for behaviors like terrell pryor's and the 28 others named in the Dorhmann piece.

[geo weidl]

Couple of observations made by a blogger on Dohrmann's radio interviews today. The list is pretty long for items that tp took from ohio in exchange for his tattoos. I volunteered with football team for quite a few summers when my sons played, where as a player you were accountable for all your gear that you received and you had to sign for it and return it. I know this ohio, but I'm sure there had to have been some kind of system in place recording equipment that players received.



Dohrmann Opens Up

Posted on May 31, 2011 by Lori Schmidt
George Dohrmann wrote the just released Sports Illustrated piece on Jim Tressel, and Dohrmann has been doing a series of radio interviews today. I’ve now listened to three of them, and among the highlights:

• Dohrmann claims the numbers of players that he wrote committed NCAA violations (28 since 2002, including 15 current players) are conservative.
• He says the article was very thoroughly vetted by the magazine’s lawyers.
• Admitting his sources have colorful backgrounds, he says he had to go with these sources because OSU’s players “weren’t hanging out with priests and nuns.”
• Dohrmann has a unique theory on why Tressel kept quiet about the NCAA violations, even after receiving an e-mailed tip. Although most people have said it was because Tressel didn’t want to jeopardize what promised to be a spectacular season, Dohrmann feels it may also have been that Tressel knew an investigation would open a bigger can of worms.
• He thinks Terrelle Pryor has played his last down for Ohio State.
• He believes that Pryor traded, “more than 20 items, including game-worn shoulder pads, multiple helmets, Nike cleats, jerseys, game pants and more” for tattoos or cash. This, Dohrmann argues, should prove OSU was aware (or should have been aware) of what was going on. How could they not notice how much equipment was going missing?
• Dohrmann says he contacted Ohio State Friday to give them a chance to respond to the allegations in the SI story, and they stonewalled him. He said the university would not even confirm or deny if they relayed the information to coach Tressel.
• He believes the NCAA will “hammer” the Buckeyes. Quoting Dohrmann, “If this isn’t institutional control, I don’t know what is.”
• When asked if he’s done investigating Ohio State, Dohrmann responded, “I wouldn’t say that, no.”

[Jamie H]

Yeah, as I posted last night, the biggest "new" thing I picked up from the article was the equipment stuff. If tons of equipment was just flooding out of the Buckeye Football program, SOMEONE had to know it was happening. I mean, how many pairs of shoulder pads or helmets does one kid get during a season? I would think only one unless something breaks and even then don't you have to produce the broken stuff? So how can that stuff be given away? Do the players just claim they keep losing their shoulder pads? I can't believe that would work more than once, or they would have to start paying for the stuff they were "losing".

I've seen people like Tressel before. He's one of these people that believes his own personal moral code supercedes everything else. So if HE didn't think what he or his kids were doing was wrong, it wasn't. He was able to justify it all to himself by telling himself that he was really helping the kids, and the rules were just stupid bureaucratic rules that didn't need to be followed because nothing that was happening was really "bad".

Hell, I will admit I took an attitude towards the rules of one of my employers that way. They had a ton of stupid rules and I chose not to follow most of them, as there were rarely if ever any consequences as long as you were doing a good job. But there was a big differece--I was acting solo. The only person that was going to get in trouble was ME. So I took all the risk when I chose not to follow the rules.

Tressel did so in a MUCH different situation, where his decision to flaunt the rules is going to harm not only himself, but the entire OSU football program. That shows a pretty horrible lack of judgement.

[geo weidl]

Gee, I was under the impression that o-lie-o's compliance department was superior to everyone elses. Liars! This could still be interesting before the weekend comes.

John Cooper, who ran a major NCAA violation-free Ohio State football program from 1988-2000 and was succeeded by Tressel in 2001, did not absolve his successor from blame during his guest spot on WBNS-TV. But the former Buckeye coach, who still makes his home in Columbus, aimed most of his criticism for the school?s NCAA woes at the Ohio State compliance department.

After calmly reiterating Tressel?s grievous deeds, Cooper became heated when he unloaded on those charged to police the OSU program for NCAA rules violations:

?Compliance is not doing their job when this kind of stuff happens and they act like they don?t know about it. When I was coaching over there, compliance was around everywhere. It?s almost like they were trying to find us violating a rule.?

[Hannibal]

Pryor was a head case before he arrived at OSU. I pointed this out before he even committed to play there.

[*JD*]

Pryor was a head case before he arrived at OSU. I pointed this out before he even committed to play there.

Well, it seemed somewhat of question at the time he committed to Tosu over Michigan when RR's offense suited him so much better and he'd be and instant starter. Now, it makes much more sense. The perks were just to good for a guy like that to turn down.

[Hannibal]

IIRC he had some disciplinary questions in high school, and he dragged out his recruitment because he loved basking in the attention. I was disappointed that he didn't come to Michigan at the time, but I remember thinking OSU might have another Maurice Clarett on their hands.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Columbus' NBC is reporting that Pryor has been driving on a suspended license...lol

OSU vs. Oregon in the Rose Bowl is on BTN right now...good game!!

[Dr. Strangelove]

You guys will like this comment from the guy who wrote the SI article. Someone asked him if this was on par with SMU:

No way. Not even close to as bad as SMU. And, IMO, USC, Baylor & Minn. scandals much worse

http://twitter.com/#!/georgedohrmann/status/75607605401227265

[Optimus Prime]

Oh...well OK !?!

[geo weidl]

Get ready for more of this over the summer.

Minor league baseball team pokes fun at OSU

Posted by Chip Patterson

The story of trouble at Ohio State is everywhere you look in sports right now. Whether it is Jim Tressel's resignation, or even more news regarding Terrelle Pryor and/or automobiles; you can't avoid talk about the scandal in Columbus. Heck, even LeBron James was questioned about the issue leading up to the biggest series of his career. But one minor league baseball team has decided to spin the scandal into one of the more creative game promotions I've heard this season. Fans of the Fort Myers Miracle will get a chance to participate in "Rest the Vest" Night at Hammond Stadium when the Miracle host the Jupiter Hammerheads on Monday, June 6.

As part of the "Rest the Vest" promotions, fans are encouraged to bring in their sweater vest and place it in a retirement bin near the front gate of the stadium. Turning in your sweater vest will give you the opportunity to participate in a test drive of a sports car from Classic Cars of Florida. In addition to the sweater vest drive, fans who show their tattoo will be given a piece of Miracle memorabilia to keep or sell.

This will likely enrage many Ohio State fans, but it seems like just the type of creativity that you could only get away with minor league baseball - the best kind. Not only are they knocking on Tressel, but also including car dealerships and tattoos for memorabilia "to keep or sell."

[Jamie H]

Hey, like I said before, the main thing I wanted was the head fraud removed, so I've already gotten my wish. I really don't care how hard OSU is hit or not hit from this point forward, though I won't deny that OSU getting hit hard could give Hoke nice recruiting start an extra jolt.

[Mackenzie]

Several boards and apparently 660am radio reporting that TP has met with multiple agents and will not play 2011.