M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[Jeff Buchanan]

........ rubbing hands in joyful glee.

Popcorn is next.

Enjoy the show.

[Jamie H]

Yeah, there are heavy rumors that SI is going to publish a story detailing things like paid vacations, illegal housing, cars to recruits, and more going on at OSU. Supposedly its supposed to happen within a week, so maybe it is a story in their next issue?

[entropy]

well, it will be tough for OSU to say that was a mistake or the vest was looking out for the kids..

actually, they could claim the last point..

[Jamie H]

Just rumors for now--I know better than to believe it before I see it. But given what we know about Tressel it seems like a pretty plausable rumor.

[lineygoblue]

To be fair to Herbstreit, he was going to move out of Columbus no matter what. He wasn't toeing the company line in O-Lie-O, so he was pretty much forced to move his family for their own safety.

[geo weidl]

Should a quarter of this be true, M problems over the last three years will not even equal a fart by an ant in a field of wheat as UM Stan would say.

[WM Wolverine]

Rabbit hole keeps getting deeper in Columbus and tells us what most of us knew all along, Tressel is as slimy as them come in regards to bending and breaking the rules to gain any advantage he could... He did the same at Youngstown and there was a ton of smoke once he arrived at Ohio CC...

No idea what espn the magazine article will come out with but it doesn't look good, just getting rid of JT won't help much anymore. They should've cut ties with JT along time ago.

[Optimus Prime]

Do you have to Purchase the "ESPN Magazine" as well as the SI issue or will they be available online at some point?

[hodgkal]

Looks like the dam is about to break for Lance Armstrong too. 60 Minutes is scheduled for a big expose' Sunday. Shows what happens when holier than thou personal promotion can backfire.

Any time blatant hypocrisy is exposed it is fun to watch. And it just keeps happening. I guess everyone needs to be reminded that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!

And yet our human species seems evolved to seek power (ie, prestige) above anything else, even sex!

[entropy]

hodgkal.. I hope it isn't true that drugs were the reason he one all those tour's. I hope it is something else

[SeanB]

Basically, a former teammate of his (Tyler Hamilton, I think) is claiming that he saw Armstrong in possession of EPO while training for a race and saw him inject it as well. This was during training, not during a Tour, for whatever that's worth.

This teammate is saying he also used while training. I'm actually of the opinion that 1) All cyclists were doping at some point and 2) No one really cares about cycling

[Jamie H]

I almost guarantee 100% Lance was using drugs.

I also almost 100% guarantee that EVERY SINGLE PERSON he was competing against was too.

Professional cycling was as drug infested as the East German women's swim team. Everyone was using, at the minimum, EPO. For those that don't follow cycling, here is the deal (I only followed it peripherally for a few Tour De Frances).

EPO allows you to carry more oxygen in your blood. As you might imagine, for a cyclist riding hundreds of miles in a day and climbing steep mountains, getting oxygen to your muscles is a big deal.

No one knew how to test for EPO, so what pro cycling did is give you a "maximum" red-blood cell count that your blood could be (max hematocrit). If you spiked above this level, you were deemed "positive" for EPO use. Of course, this level was set abnormally high so that there were no false positives.

So what did everyone do? Well duh, they all doped themselves with EPO to right below the legal limit. So almost everyone in cycling was using EPO to dope themselves to the limit. Everyone knew this was happening because they had everyone's red blood cell count and everyone was high, but just under the limit. So either EVERYONE in cycling was a genetic freak with a high red blood cell count, or everyone was doping.

It was essentially a tacitly allowed doping. Cycling couldn't detect EPO so they set a limit. And so everyone was doped pretty equally. I'm not saying it was right, but anyone who DIDN'T dope had zero chance of competing with those who did.

Now, some people also did other doping including steroids, blood transfusions, all kinds of wacky stuff. I have no idea how prevalent that stuff was, nor whether Lance did that too.

So yeah, I'm sure Lance doped because otherwise he would have been finishing at the back of the pack. It wasn't possible for non-doped athletes to keep up. But I'm also sure that nearly 100% of the people he beat were also doped. That was just the sport, as unfortunate as it was.

[lineygoblue]

So all the dopes were doped up equally, so any dope should be able to figure out that the dope didn't affect the outcome of the dopey races ....

.... at least that's how I see it ...

[Jamie H]

If you notice, Lance has never denied taking drugs. All he has ever said is that he never failed a drug test.

[Mike]

So all the dopes were doped up equally, so any dope should be able to figure out that the dope didn't affect the outcome of the dopey races ....

.... at least that's how I see it ...

You've summed it up perfectly, Liney.