M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[entropy]

maybe I'm wrong, but I though the NCAA rules were set up by its members... meaning the schools in the SEC, Big12, BigTen, ACC, etc..

shouldn't they demand more from their governing body?

[Tony G]

Depends on if they care if the cart gets upset. We may be looking at a "Too big to fail" mentality (whether right or wrong)

[Jeff Buchanan]

maybe I'm wrong, but I though the NCAA rules were set up by its members... meaning the schools in the SEC, Big12, BigTen, ACC, etc..

shouldn't they demand more from their governing body?

The political nature of the NCAA and that its charter encourages member instutions to self report is a recipe for rule breaking when the reward appears to be worth the risk.

The infractions adjudication procedures are very cumbersome but, IMO, the procedures are a good example of due process. It is here where I think the good-ol'-boy network screws things up ...... but its not much different than the DA negotiating a deal with the prosecutor.

I suspect there is so much of this deal making going on within the NCAA machinery on infractions and self reporting that guys like tressel (and probably smith and gee) think that what tressle did in the case of the tat5 was completely acceptable (not saying the lying about it to the NCAA was).

If something is going to get cleaned up, you put a wall between the NCAA infractions mechanisms and the school that self reportes. Once the school self reports, it is out of their hands. The NCAA investigates and imposes penalties from a uniform code within a set time frame with none of this BS where it takes 6-12 months to decide.

[entropy]

you also need investigative powers. the NCAA has to have access to school records and accounts if investigated.

[Jamie H]

As long as the NCAA doesn't hold supena power, they will NEVER stop the cheating. The only times schools really go down is when the feds get involved for a tangential reason.

[WM Wolverine]

Yes but they [NCAA] rarely do anything unless some evidence is brought to them; NCAA rules rely on its member to report potential issues to compliance and self police themselves. NCAA has little power to 'investigate' as they have little power to force someone to talk...

That is why the NCAA has come down real hard on programs who lie to them.

[Rocky Bleier]

I think that Frerentz has never jumped ship because he is insanely overpaid.

He's also revered god-like in Iowa despite not winning many B10 Championships.

[Rocky Bleier]

All of this talk of rampant cheating makes me wonder why I even watch the games anymore. It's sickening that Auburn won the MNC with Cam Newton as their QB.

[Hannibal]

All of this talk of rampant cheating makes me wonder why I even watch the games anymore. It's sickening that Auburn won the MNC with Cam Newton as their QB.

Just be patient. That championship and the Heisman will be vacated.

[hack]

Not the point though.

[Jeff Buchanan]

All of this talk of rampant cheating makes me wonder why I even watch the games anymore. It's sickening that Auburn won the MNC with Cam Newton as their QB.

Perfect example of invested fans that I talked about in my earlier post today who care about the game and are losing already or will lose interest because the product is diminished by the kind of cheating perpetrated by the likes of Auburn, osu and USC.

[WM Wolverine]

Amazed any of the NCAA, SEC & UA allowed him to be eligible let alone all three.

[Pasadena Blue]

Even I can't believe this stuff.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110330/SPORTS07/110330029/Former-recruit-Stanley-McClover-says-he-got-money-Michigan-State-sex-OSU?odyssey=obinsite

[Tony G]

Well, Ohio girls are known to be pretty easy....

[WingsFan]

Pile on Tressel more...

Oregon State president Ed Ray former vice president and provost in Columbus, Ray was one of the Buckeye officials who hired Tressel away from Youngstown State and knows Tressel personally. But as the current president of the NCAA's Executive Committee (the committee which oversees changes to NCAA's byzantine rulebook and bylaws), he's also heavily invested in seeing the NCAA's standards and rules upheld.

On how NCAA enforcement officials might view Tressel's case, Ray said, "If I were in their position, I'd be a hanging judge." He continued: "I think there are lines you don't cross in your own life.... I'm not a big mercy guy. I'm not a big understander of extenuating circumstances. We all sort of engage in thinking about situational ethics. But I'm kinda old-school. And I think you're either ethical or you're not ethical."