M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[iam416]

LOL. I'm here because I like to hear M's fan perspective on their team. You guys, well, check out Forum Admin. LOL.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Except for Lane Kiffin, all the guys in the Top 10 "most hated" were consummate winners. That's how they get hated; they win too much.

Actually I don't think that's the entire reason they are disliked. Contributes, for sure, but I don't think Vince Lombardi, Tom Osborne or Ara Parseghian fit into the same category as ufm, et. al. As well, Pete Carroll was immensely successful at USC in terms of wins but we all know now why he dominated the PAC10 for years.

All joking aside, you guys are kidding yourselves if you think Bo enjoys some sort of broad recognition across the country as being the greatest man of integrity to grace the sport.

I'm not claiming that and I've not seen anyone else here claim it. Bo is a respected college football coach who was at times grouchy as you described. One thing he never did do is bring any kind of bad press to Michigan like Woody did to osu.

Woody will always be remembered for the wrong reasons, but at least he'll be remembered.

This sort of reasoning from osu fans never ceases to amaze me. At least the Germans don't like to talk about Hitler or the Italians about Musollini.

[iam416]

Of course, Bo respected and loved Woody. I doubt he respected and loved Hitler.

In any event, the Glorious Loser meme is back on full display. Though, TBH, it's always on full display since, well, M is always losing.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Bo Schembechler, when he was a kid, once cut down a cherry tree owned by his dad. Didn't have any real reason in doing so, just felt like doing it.When his dad saw what had happened, he asked young Bo, "Glenn, did you chop down my cherry tree?".

Young Glenn replied, "You're goddamn right I chopped down that tree. Those who stay will be champions".

His father proceeded to reward Glenn for his honesty and integrity with a silver dollar, which Bo promptly threw across Lake St. Clair.

[Dr. Strangelove]

I'm not claiming that and I've not seen anyone else here claim it. Bo is a respected college football coach who was at times grouchy as you described. One thing he never did do is bring any kind of bad press to Michigan like Woody did to osu.



This sort of reasoning from osu fans never ceases to amaze me. At least the Germans don't like to talk about Hitler or the Italians about Musollini.

Bo didn't go into full-scale tirades the way Woody did, but he was still crotchety and sniped at the press all the time. I really doubt the national media and fans around the country thought he seemed lovable and a swell guy the way the Bo Cult has developed his character over time.

People best know him as a good coach who never won a title. Put the accomplishments of Woody & Bo alongside each other, leave their names off, and ask a third party to decide who had the better career. I doubt anyone sensible would pick Bo. Same number of conf title, Woody had a couple more wins, and at least three national titles to none. And when you consider the context of their achievements, with Woody competing in a much more balanced B1G, he should win handily.

Seriously, I have found Michigan fans to be much more willfully blind to Bo's faults than OSU fans and Woody. OSU fans by and large have gotten over Woody. Many, many Michigan fans think whomever the next hire is needs to be approved by Bo's Spirit first.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Heh.

[WM Wolverine]

Very appropriately titled discussion.

[Optimus Prime]

Bo kicked Ohio A & M 's ass, that is all that matters.

[hodgkal]

Woody was one tough coach. Nothing fancy, just ram the ball down your throat. “3 yards and a cloud of dust”. During pre-game interviews he would be asked how his team would play that day, and with clenched teeth he simply declared, “We’ll win!” And usually they did.
I well remember Woody and the down markers incident in 1971. It happened right in front of me. Woody totally lost it. Finally his temper did him in but nobody ever accused him of cheating.
The reason we all “worship” Bo is because he changed the culture at Michigan. We had fallen a long way from national icon status beginning in the later years of Benny Oosterbaan and continuing under Bump Elliott. Woody “owned” us throughout the 1960s with the exception on 1964. This changed abruptly in Bo’s first year reaching a climax when he sent a new and different UM team onto the field against the unbeatable Buckeyes in 1969. That game will forever be etched in the mind of long time UM partisans. From then on it was an even playing field for the next 10 years.
It doesn’t really matter that Bo almost never won a bowl game and never won a national title. He restored pride and did it with integrity. A tough act to follow.
Programs have ups and downs. Cooper came in as a vaunted winner at Arizona State but he couldn’t get over the hump against Michigan. Carr was a decent coach til he started to burn out, and of course you would never accuse him of cheating. As for RichRod – let’s not even talk about it.
I am with the people who believe you can still win with integrity. That’s what Hoke is doing. It must bother the Buckeyes here to keep mentioning this because they too have their blind spot when it comes to program integrity.
We’re still the leaders and the best!

[lineygoblue]

Amen, Doc...

And WM ... that's why the thread title changed .. and will remain so.

Its an apt moniker for what the ohio contingent spews on a daily basis.

Watching these guys denigrate Bo is akin to watching Tom and Jerry cartoons. They keep thinking if they just chase that mouse enough, they'll catch him, .. even though all they ever do is smash their face against the wall ....

[Dr. Strangelove]

All Michigan fans really want is a toned down, less loud, and less successful version of Woody. And that's what they got. And they desperately want to find another.

[Pasadena Blue]

with all the LOL's Talent throws around this forum (I am glad we are so amusing for him), he may as well as paint/carve a permanent smile on his face like The Joker --- I propose that be his new nickname.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Bo kicked Ohio A & M 's ass, that is all that matters.

Bo was a whopping 11-9-1 against OSU. But he could not solve the enigma that was Earle Bruce. No one breathed a greater sigh of relief when OSU announced they were firing the Fedora.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Does Gary Moeller still have any involvement with UM?

[Optimus Prime]

Bo was a whopping 11-9-1 against OSU. But he could not solve the enigma that was Earle Bruce. No one breathed a greater sigh of relief when OSU announced they were firing the Fedora.

Bo was 5-4-1 versus Ohio A&M, dream-on DSL, (still choking on those miniscule testicles?)