M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[Rob F]

Of course Urban Meyer is remaining silent although he has much to answer for.

http://t.foxsports.msn.com/nfl/urban...on-hernandez-1

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/fox-sports-networks/story/Meyer-silent-on-Hernandez?blockID=916751&feedID=3724

Urban Meyer will not comment on his former player, Aaron Hernandez. (Kirby Lee-USA Today Sports)
Meyer silent on Hernandez
ZAC JACKSON |
Published: Monday, July 01, 2013, 3:12pm | 34 Comments

Andrew Weber-US Presswire

GENEVA, Ohio - Lots of people are talking about Aaron Hernandez, but his college coach isn't one of them.


Asked Monday how he's felt as events surrounding Hernandez, the former Florida and New England Patriots tight end now facing a first-degree murder charge, have unfolded over the last week, Ohio State coach Urban Meyer offered a brief and direct response.


"I'm not going to talk about that," Meyer said.

Meyer, now coaching Ohio State, coached Hernandez at the University of Florida from 2007 to 2009.



The Patriots released Hernandez last week, a few hours after his arrest and a few hours before he was formally charged. Hernandez had a history of issues at Florida including admitting to failing drug tests that resulted in a suspension. A Gainesville Sun story late last week said Meyer served as a father figure of sorts for Hernandez when Hernandez was dealing with his father's death, including the Meyer family hosting Hernandez at their home for regular Bible studies.


It's surely a sensitive issue, and it's unclear how close Meyer and Hernandez had remained since Hernandez left Florida following the 2009 season. But the Hernandez story is the biggest football story there is right now, and one of the game's best coaches isn't talking about.


Meyer has a close relationship with Patriots coach Bill Belichick, who's been fond of drafting Florida players. The Patriots signed the 23-year old Hernandez to a $40 million contract extension last August.


Meyer held a short media availability Monday afternoon following his annual youth football camp near his hometown of Ashtabula. More than 300 kids in 1st-8th grades attended the camp.

[SeattleLionsFan]

Once a Meyer guy......once a Meyer guy I guess.

[iam416]

The SS Butthurt sails again.

[WM Wolverine]

I put a lot of trust in coaches in camp offers, several coaches seeing a kid in person for a couple days is much more important than the kids sending out highlight tapes or even a couple games of film...

One issue with the ECA kids is they had so little game film (3 games) since they weren't 'accredited' with the state of Maryland schools on their schedule. Brandon Watson thinks he was likely going to land a USC if he hadn't committed.

[iam416]

Yep. Seeing a kid in camp is so much more valuable than on film.

Incidentally (and I've beat this drum before), but that's also why, IMO, recruiting rankings are far more "accurate" than they were 10 years ago. These kids go to multiple camps and compete against kids from around the country. It's far less looking at film and comparing, e.g., Georgia football to Maryland football. Now, some recruiting sites take their job a bit more seriously and have people throughout the country constantly attending camps (others rely on Director Recruiting, Tom Lugenbill). But the info is out there, if you're willing to work, to put together a solid set of rankings.

[WM Wolverine]

These coaches also get to interact with these kids at camp, a coach can show say Jake Ryan a certain technique and see how easily he picks up on it. A camp offer imo is more legit than any other offers even though all the fans see the coaches offering 3-star players. They can also see what type of work ethic a kid has at camp when they have no clue about such other than talking to the kid, his coach and his parents; all awfully biased observers.

[Pasadena Blue]

many reasons for Ohio fans to be by giddy.
A BCS title game in their future, and M relegated to 5th in the B1G.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/79186/steeles-forecast-sunny-for-osu-nebraska

and Urbie, pulling out all the stops.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/urban-meyer-alleged-florida-gators-recruiting-violation-brian-white-070213

[WM Wolverine]

The X-factor that causes 4-star to burn-out and 3-stars to blossom imo is largely work ethic and coach-ability....

The skinny, 230 lb 3-star defensive end whose at every workout session, practice and knows his playbook to a tee is going to be better than the 260lb, 4-star defensive end who doesn't listen or doesn't use his coaches instructions. I've heard it more from insiders on basketball players who don't take improving their game/skills as seriously as others but it take a tremendous amount of dedication to play football at the B10 level. Lots of kids don't have the combination of talent and work ethic to do so, unless you have insane amounts of one, you need to have both.

[iam416]

These coaches also get to interact with these kids at camp, a coach can show say Jake Ryan a certain technique and see how easily he picks up on it. A camp offer imo is more legit than any other offers even though all the fans see the coaches offering 3-star players. They can also see what type of work ethic a kid has at camp when they have no clue about such other than talking to the kid, his coach and his parents; all awfully biased observers.

This is all true. An OSU camp offer, McLaurin, came to one OSU camp, was told to go back to Indy and work some things (crisper routes, I believe). He showed up at the next OSU camp 5-6 weeks later ready to he was working and earned his offer.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'd still probably rather have, e.g., James Quick from last year's class, but it does suggest that the kid is going to work his ass and if he has the measurables, which he does, he should be pretty good.

There's always a talent threshold. And there's always kids that have so much talent that you take them barring disastrou personality flaws. For example, I'd rather have a 5* talent that's a so-so program fit than a low 3* talent that is a perfect fit. Ideally you find those talented kids who fit well with your program/staff.

[iam416]

Also, on film, I know UFM tries to look for things that point to competiveness/work. They're not always there, but sometimes they are. I know he wasn't sold on Dunn until he saw his film against Massilon where he had like 250 really had yards on 35 carries and just played his heart out.

The thing that you're most likely to pick up on film is kids who take plays off or, perhaps, games off. So, it's mostly looking for red flags as opposed to green flags. Camp is more for the green flags.

[Jeff Buchanan]

For example, I'd rather have a 5* talent that's a so-so program fit than a low 3* talent that is a perfect fit. Ideally you find those talented kids who fit well with your program/staff.(talent)

That's fine as long as your football program puts talent (and using that talent to win at all costs) above everything else. tressel got terrel pryor (among others) that way and we know how that turned out.

The sad thing is, the osu administration and fandom probably sees the shit they got dragged through over 2.5 seasons as a result of the tressel affair worth it. Their prestige wasn't hurt all that badly and neither was their recruiting and after the debacle of the tressel "firing" they got one of the best coaches in college football to carry on the win at all costs culture that seems to be entrenched at osu.

You may see this as butt-hurt, talent. I can understand why you would but there are miles of differences between what Michigan football is all about and what osu and most of the SEC school's football programs are all about.

I won't say one football program culture is better than another. I'd be frigging lying if I didn't say I'd like Michigan football to just kick butt .... all the time .... in conference and outside of it nationally. I'd also like to see every 5* HS player, lined up in droves, dieing to wear the winged helmet ..... and the Michigan admissions department saying, "we can make that work" with below average ACT/SAT scores and a record of poor classroom performance.

But there is a price to be paid for that in immeasurables associated with problem personalities, work ethic, behavior and moral/ethical choices that these highly talented players might bring to the program that the coaches and school administrators then have to deal with, usually embarrassingly, after the fact.

[iam416]

Only you would basically take an unassailable position -- I'd rather have highly regarded recruits that don't necessary fit exactly with what you want to do or don't necessarily fit with the coaches than RichGOD mighty mite recruits -- and turn it into your standard, dull OSU bashing.

there are miles of differences between what Michigan football is all about and what osu and most of the SEC school's football programs are all about.

Keep living that lie. If you think that M plays by some sort of elevated set of rules apart from the NCAA and B10 minimums, then LOL.

And to be clear, your nonsense is just standard M self-delusion. The SS Butthurt is when M fans hilariously think Aaron Hernandez is a dark cloud over OSU. That's just lmao funny.

[hack]

The diff btwn playing to win and playing to make money.

[iam416]

Well, that may be true. M opted to hire an unproven HC on the cheap and OSU hired the platinum standard.

Otherwise, there's not a single player in OSU's last two classes that M wouldn't have taken for grades or personality reasons. Now, of course, they did pass on a few because of limited spots.

Hell, M desperately tried to get Terrelle Pryor. The notion, LMAO, that M doesn't doesn't recruit the same players OSU does is just flat out wrong.

[lineygoblue]

The "platinum standard"??

Love it.

Michigan w/Rodriguez definitely wanted T. Pryor. IMO, he would have done very well running RRod's offense, seeing that he was a natural spread-type QB instead of a dual-threat. Biggest reason Pryor went to OlieO was because Tressel blew smoke up his butt, and convinced him that he could turn him into a first-round NFL QB. When seen last, Pryor was having trouble cracking the starting lineup of the lowly Oakland Raiders.

As it turns out, I'm glad he chose OlieO. Michigan didn't need the soap opera he brought with him.

yeah, I know ..... 16>1 ... 9-1 ... 12-0... yadda ..yadda ..