M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[Tony G]

Bo had a tantrum or two as well

[lineygoblue]

Yes he did .. but nothing even in that neighborhood ...

[Tony G]

I thought I remember him breaking down markers (not throwing them on the field)

[lineygoblue]

Bo never broke any down markers.

He smashed up a few sets of headphones though ...

[WM Wolverine]

Only a few?

[Optimus Prime]

The Orlando Sentinel ranked the 50 most hated college basketball and football coaches of all time. A few excerpts:

URBAN MEYER

Yep, he’s No. 1. Coaching OSU is bad enough, but the Sentinel especially doesn’t like Meyer, right, bolting Florida to do it.
The Buzz: It was a photo finish between the top two contenders for this spot. Meyer takes the crown thanks to recent allegations he turned in his former program for minor rule violations and high-profile legal trouble involving former player Aaron Hernandez. Meyer's aggressive recruiting tactics have long irked his peers. It's also getting harder to shake the perception he ditched Florida when the program was struggling and failed to adequately discipline players who were arrested.


THE TOP FIVE

He’s followed by Nick Saban (of course), Bob Knight (of course), Steve Spurrier (of course) and Woody Hayes (of course).

ANY OTHER BUCKEYES?

Yep, Jim Tressel is ranked No. 14. Notre Dame also has three: No. 22 Brian Kelly, No. 23 Lou Holtz and No. 25 Charlie Weis.

MICHIGAN MEN?

What? There are two: Rich Rodriguez at No. 11 for bolting West Virginia and flopping at U-M, and the fiery Bo Schembechler at No. 38.

HEY, WHAT ABOUT ...

Don’t worry, No. 8 is Coach K, who “leads the team everyone loves to hate, in part because Mike Krzyzewski comes off a bit smug.”

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...2.photogallery

[lineygoblue]

Looks like Bo was almost an afterthought.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Bo isn't very well remembered outside of B1G circles...didn't leave much of an impact on the sport, unlike Woody

[Jeff Buchanan]

Bo isn't very well remembered outside of B1G circles...didn't leave much of an impact on the sport, unlike Woody

What?

I suppose it's where you sit.

If we're talking about legacies though, I'd think Bo's was a far more positive one than Woody's. Don't get me wrong. I think Hayes' is a great football story. In the end he had more positives than negatives but the negatives which happened at the end of his career are what he is remembered for. Just the way it is.

Bo's legacy stems from his integrity as a coach. Woody's from his confrontational character. Both coaches won a lot of games but Bo won more more than any coach over a shorter period of time if I've got it right. Bo's legacy suffered from never winning an NC and his abysmal bowl record. That's a distant memory to most football fans outside of Michigan where as who doesn't associate Hayes with tearing down yard markers, confrontations with players and refs and punching out the Clemson guy.

[Rob F]

Bo isn't very well remembered outside of B1G circles...didn't leave much of an impact on the sport, unlike Woody

...only in your pathetic sheltered buckcentric little world, DSL.

[iam416]

Bo never won a national title or even played for a national title. His teams were atrocious on the national stage and he lost a few total head-scratchers to put M out of any contention. M fans, and M fans only, set aside his massive national shortcomings for their prized "integrity" and, of course, "Gallant Defeats." But, outside of the B10, he's shit, and he barely makes the top 10 coaches from Ohio.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Bo never won a national title or even played for a national title. His teams were atrocious on the national stage and he lost a few total head-scratchers to put M out of any contention. M fans, and M fans only, set aside his massive national shortcomings for their prized "integrity" and, of course, "Gallant Defeats." But, outside of the B10, he's shit, and he barely makes the top 10 coaches from Ohio.

Not an unexpected response, laced with hyperbole for effect.

Football is not war as an extension of politics where winning can mean everything when it is undertaken, in a global sense, for the right purposes (see WWII).

Football is a sporting event where the integrity exhibited between opponents marks the difference between a meaningful event for fans and players and a neighborhood brawl over a meaningless grievance. It is "important" to win such conflicts but only for one group to assert some sort of irrational superiority over another.

In my past and recent experience osu, it seems to me, has carved out a legacy of exemplary lying, questionable player conduct and a long list of coaches who seem to be equally part of that particular problem, Woody being no exception.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Except for Lane Kiffin, all the guys in the Top 10 "most hated" were consummate winners. That's how they get hated; they win too much.

All joking aside, you guys are kidding yourselves if you think Bo enjoys some sort of broad recognition across the country as being the greatest man of integrity to grace the sport. Pac10 fans remember him as being a grouchy, conservative old man who always lost the Rose Bowl. No one at USC or Texas or Oklahoma or Nebraska or Penn State or LSU or Florida knows or cares about this mythical legacy you guys have invented.

Woody will always be remembered for the wrong reasons, but at least he'll be remembered. Nationally. He won national level recognition, not just regional. Bo's cult at Michigan will endure, but pretty soon he'll be as recognized outside the fanbase as any other good coach who constantly fell short, like Frank Broyles or Mark Richt.

We have argued about this before but 2/3 of Woody's career at OSU took place during the B1G's greatest era (the 50's and 60's). Bo's career at Michigan coincided with the lowest point in the B1G fortunes; the league was unquestionably weaker during Bo's career than Woody's. And Bo never could take advantage of it to put together just one championship year.

[iam416]

you guys are kidding yourselves if you think Bo enjoys some sort of broad recognition across the country as being the greatest man of integrity to grace the sport

You know these guys, DSL. They are more than delusional enough to think exactly that.

Though, I do appreciate Buchanan's Glorious Loser/Gallant Defeat defense. Fits nicely into my overt mockery of M fans with the daily Gallant Defeat. BTW, not to worry, we're back on Monday.

laced with hyperbole for effect

No, with the possible exception of saying he's "shit" outside of the B10. It's more like he's barely remembered. But he ain't Zook or RichGOD.

[*JD*]

I haven't found that to be the case outside of the midwest. Woody also only comes up for hitting a player. You need to get outside your bubble every once in a while to gain a truer perspective.