M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[lineygoblue]

That is acceptable behavior for a coach within the culture of osu football administration ...... until of course the public outcry forces university officials to take other action.

There will be absolutely no public outcry as long as the man wins football games.

Start losing, and it will be used as a reason to fire him.

[iam416]

The desperation is stunning. LOL.

Anyway, the only OSU player convicted of anything other than pissing on some bushes was kicked off the team. DUI. Serious business. Gone. Speaking of which, will Touissant be back in time to start for M this year? LMAO.

Well, at least when UFM shoves up your ass sideways...AGAIN...you'll have your standard "Lost Cause/Glorious Loser" Meme well-practiced.

[Rocky Bleier]

NY Times article on Urban and his Boyz in Florida:


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/07/07...ef=sports&_r=0&

[Dr. Strangelove]

Much like there will always be an * next to the great HR hitters there will always be an "L" next to Michigan's name in the boxscore. And they wear it as a badge of honor. Like some deluded Hester Prynne.

[lineygoblue]

We'll see how long the urban myth lasts when he starts racking up a few "L's" ...

All the sudden, those stories from his stellar career in Florida will become "relevant' on OlieO ...

Mortal lock.

[hack]

Tony I too am bothered by sanctimoniousness here in Ann Arbor but I don't think that's a good example. In that case the school backed its bullshit -- they found a non-death penalty version of the death penalty and assigned it to themselves for 15 years. They made up excuses not to hire Pitino FFS. I was getting pretty skeptical about it all but the Tressell episode really put it into focus. The anecdote that came out around that time about the Ann Arbor mechanic who tried to give a player a discount but was not allowed to because the compliance department followed up multiple times -- that's a good example of Michigan sitting out Ohio-like behaviors. There are more to draw on. IMO it's easy to argue that Michigan is both rules-bound and a bunch of pompous windbags at the same time.

[WM Wolverine]

M offered Pitino and Pitino verbally accepted to come to AA but his wife vetoed him.

[lineygoblue]

Schembechler vetoed Pitino more than Mrs. Pitino did.

His statement to the effect of "No basketball coach at Michigan should make more than Michigan's Football Coach" did more to push Pitino away than Mrs. Pitino did.

[WM Wolverine]

Not according to Pitino.

[hack]

Whatever the real story is, and we're just guessing, there's a specific context here relevant to what Tony brought up. No matter how it ended up the ambivalence about Pitino in AA is evidence of concerns about cheating. Some of them genuine and some of them a fig leaf, but it was there nonetheless to a degree.

[Tony G]

That there was a different outcome to the two events is significant. I'm glad U-M has found its compass again and is on high ground.

That said, the fact that both schools found themselves on shaky moral ground for years is a reason to try to approach the situation with a little humility. A reformed whore fresh from church really doesn't have a lot of room to call someone still hooking a worthless whore.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Interesting ......

Tony, do you think anyone at osu in dealing with the after math of of the tressel affair and with the capacity to set the moral compass for that institution valued ethical conduct above winning? I don't believe they did.

It is this behavior amongst those with leadership and decision making roles that establish the ethical and moral culture of an institution.

Now to Hack's point ... and Hack and I have some agreement in this area .... M's institutional leadership went way beyond what was necessary to appear to redirect Michigan sports towards the high road with regard to the Martin affair... rules bound and pompous windbags is an excellent characterization of the kind of culture that resulted or compass that was set following that basketball debacle.

Meanwhile, the leadership of the institution down south that our good friends who post here hail from, failed miserably to rise to the occasion when rising to it was needed. Instead, with the tressel affair, they bumbled around looking for a crack to slip through and found it.

Indeed, they are who they are and Michigan is who it is.

[Tony G]

It is this behavior amongst those with leadership and decision making roles that establish the ethical and moral culture of an institution.

Indeed, they are who they are and Michigan is who it is.

So Michigan's new found zeal for morality gives you enough high ground to be so pious?

[Dr. Strangelove]

Michigan Men put NCAA rules above the law. Drunk drivers, drug dealers, thieves, and sex offenders deserve second chances on the Michigan team. NCAA violations should and shall receive ZERO TOLERANCE!

Violating the NCAA policy book is AN IMMORAL ACT!

[hack]

Newfound zeal? WTF? Factoring in the incidents cited in this discussion I am at a loss to see how you justify that and fail to see the difference.