M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[hack]

Or maybe he wouldn't have been like that here. Nature/nurture, right? What is it that they've been nurturing down there? Certainly they haven't been nurturing in precisely the same what the Michigan fans imagine Michigan does. Truth is probably between the two extremes.

[iam416]

hack:

I have no idea how M and OSU differ as it relates to "nurture." I was taking direct issue with this hokum:

as your football program puts talent (and using that talent to win at all costs) above everything else. tressel got terrel pryor (among others) that way

OSU and M recruit the same players. Period. End of story. OSU doesn't value talent any more or less than M, at least not in any discernible/margin of error way. M fans would have been giddy if TP landed in AA.

I can run down the list of recruits that OSU has signed over the past decade, and I doubt there are any that M wouldn't have taken for academic/character issues. And that directly contradicts the nonsense above.

[SeattleLionsFan]

It didn't say that TP wasn't recruited by Michigan. It said that TP was drawn to tressel a promises of free tats and cars and majoring in football. That TP bought that says all I need to know about his character.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Only you would basically take an unassailable position -- I'd rather have highly regarded recruits that don't necessary fit exactly with what you want to do or don't necessarily fit with the coaches than RichGOD mighty mite recruits -- and turn it into your standard, dull OSU bashing.

I think your position is entirely assailable.

First, I disagree with you if your meaning of highly regarded recruits fits the typical recruiting definition of a 5* athlete.

None of these services give a rats as whether the athlete is anywhere near capable of University.

We would both agree that in the SEC it does not matter at all whether that 5* guy can succeed in the classroom .... well, yes they do but their definition of the classroom and academic rigor is a lot different than mine and probably yours.

Granted, osu is in the B10, not the SEC but academically and from the standpoint of it's research reach, it is not the equal of say, Northwestern or even Michigan. Sure, osu has advanced its academic and research rep over the last 15 years and although you'll never agree with me on this point, anyone doing the ranking of Universities by academic rigor and excellence won't disagree with my take on this.

With regard to your point on recruiting targets. I would argue that while M does recruit the same players that osu might, M's admission standards for its athletes are higher than osu's. I could be shown to be wrong but I doubt we can get that kind of detailed information due to the applicable privacy laws.

I will concede that both programs make arrangements for athletes for whom there is no way, without significant help, that they could stay eligible/earn a degree. If I recall correctly, it was not too long ago that an osu professor who was latter discharged and characterized as crazy by osu officials told a journalist that academic cheating was widespread among football players attending osu and jim tressel knew about it. Yes, yes, I know, unsubstantiated facts again. Smoke = fire. IOW, there is enough circumstantial evidence that the academic bar is lowered for football players at osu to a greater extent than it is at M. I would also offer that "getting help" at osu has a different meaning than it does at M.

But have a nice day. Not interested in further discourse on this subject ..... I had to put my 13 year old Yorkshire Terrier down today due to Oral Malignant Melanoma, that metastasized enough to bring her near death in 3 weeks from its discovery. Have your vet do a thorough oral exam on your dogs and cats. She was clear in February of this year, went in to have her teeth cleaned in early June when the oral melanoma was discovered and was near dead in 3.5 weeks.

[hack]

Yes, M and OSU recruit the same players. The ones that choose M know going in they are less likely to be presented with opportunities to break school rules or local/state/federal laws in pursuit of personal enrichment than if they'd chosing OSU. Obvious conclusions there to be made about character. Deny human nature if you must, Talent, but you won't fool anyone here. Especially the fools, though that is for a different reason.

However it's also what happens on campus. Spend four pre-adult years in an environment in which rules mean something or in one in which they mean a lot less -- obviously that's gonna impact a lot of those boys as they enter their adult lives. I doubt it but for all we know Pryor might have turned out a nice kid had he gone to Michigan. And for all we know Michigan probably produces a lot of provincial dupes primed for a career based on small-scale nepotism in Ann Arbor.

[Tony G]

Source: Meyer knew OSU reported UF


Updated: July 3, 2013, 4:18 PM ET
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Ohio State coach Urban Meyer was not initially aware that the Buckeyes turned in Florida for a possible secondary NCAA violation, an Ohio State spokesman said Wednesday, although a source with knowledge of the situation told ESPN that "Urban was aware of it and he endorsed it."
Meyer told the Gainesville Sun it's "absolutely not true" that he turned in an assistant at his former school and there was "zero coach involvement."
The incident involved an alleged illegal "bump," i.e., contact, between Florida running backs coach Brian White and Brooklyn Erasmus High School running back Curtis Samuel. The Southeastern Conference investigated the allegation and ruled that no NCAA violation had been committed, a source told ESPN.
According to an Ohio State spokesman, the university's compliance office, after learning of possible illegal contact between White and Samuel, forwarded the information to the Big Ten office.
Ohio State director of player personnel Mark Pantoni read about the possible "bump" on a recruiting website and informed Meyer of the incident, a source told ESPN.
It's not uncommon for schools to report possible violations to their conference's offices, the Ohio State spokesman said, but Meyer was not aware of the report "until well after it was done."
FoxSports.com first reported that Meyer had turned in Florida for the alleged illegal contact with the recruit, whom both Ohio State and Florida are recruiting.
Meyer coached the Gators from 2005-2010 before stepping down to address health issues and spend more time with his family. He did not coach in 2011, instead working as an broadcaster for ESPN, before returning to coaching last season at Ohio State.
In his first season with the Buckeyes, Ohio State went 12-0 but was ineligible to play in the Big Ten championship game or a bowl game because of NCAA infractions committed under former coach Jim Tressel.

[iam416]

Buchanan:

Utter horseshit as per usual.

Hack:

See above.

[iam416]

At least we're briefly off the SS Butthurt and back to Noble Loser Michigan meme.

[hack]

You can't admit it here, but you know it's true. Shouldn't expose yourself like that. Accept it. You are who you are and we are who we are. Each side is going to pound its own version of the facts.

[iam416]

The facts I pound have but one version. Hard and fast numbers.

The opinion you pound is, well, opinion.

We are, indeed, who we are.

[Tony G]

You boys sure are doing a lot of pounding. Keep it up and you'll all go blind

[SeattleLionsFan]

Hard numbers= number of shootings that Urban covered up for Hernandez?

[hack]

The facts I pound have but one version. Hard and fast numbers.

The opinion you pound is, well, opinion.

We are, indeed, who we are.

You're doing the best you can playing the cards you're dealt. Still, not fooling anyone.

[Pasadena Blue]

You're doing the best you can playing the cards you're dealt. Still, not fooling anyone.

It's called lawyering.

It does work on OJ Simpson juries, I will note ... just not on M forums.

[iam416]

You're doing the best you can playing the cards you're dealt.

Royal flushes are easy to play.

16 > 1. Doesn't get much easier. Hell, Strangelove owns you dolts. Child's play.

Meanwhile, M fans carry on with Buchananesque speculation, OP Butthurt and, of course, when the truth hurts too much, editing and deleting as necessary.

(edit: in order to satisfy the Talent and turn his baseless claims into reality, I'm editing his post with just this statement. Nothing else was done to his post, and no animals were harmed in the editing of said post. And now, the Talent can be happy with his claim/prophesy of "editing and deleting", so that he can proudly proclaim how awful we are and then move on to more important things in life...)