M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[Optimus Prime]

I suspect in "Kazakhstan" they actually eat these poor bastards.

[lineygoblue]

Western Kentucky played Alabama last season, I think. They had the same chance of winning as Michigan.

Too bad OlieO didn't get a shot at the mighty Crimson Tide. Normally, a team that finished 12-0 would have been first in line for a crack at Saban's beasts, but alas,.. OlieO had other priorities. Working within the rules and earning a shot at the defending National Champions was obviously not at the top of the list for the mighty Schmuckeyes. Glorifying and protecting Jim Tressel was more important.

I guess everyone has their priorities ....

[hack]

Well they wouldn't have had a shot if they weren't cheating in the first place...

[iam416]

I do credit Buchanan for at least dipping his toe into the realm of FACTS. As it turns it out, the FACTS he opted to rely on ended up smacking him the head, so it was a quick resort to his standard fantasy.

Hack just went straight for fantasy....

[hack]

You cheated. It's in the public record. And I'm the one dealing in fantasy?

[iam416]

Both Ohio State and Michigan broke NCAA rules. Indeed, it is a matter of public record. As you aren't a moron, just willful, you're well aware that your fantasy is stating that OSU would not have been 12-0 absent its NCAA rules violations.

Of course, absent those rules violations, Ohio State might not have traded up to one of the two best coaches in the game, one of two coaches to win multiple 2 BCS titles and perhaps the only active coach with two undefeated seasons at two different schools.

Hmmmmmm. I guess if you mean that Coach Tressel wouldn't have guided Ohio State to 12-0 last season, it's not fantasy. More shrewd analysis from Hack acknowledging the legendary greatness of UFM. Fuck, and to think I almost sold you short on this one.

My bad.

[The Oracle]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........

[Jeff Buchanan]

I do credit Buchanan for at least dipping his toe into the realm of FACTS. As it turns it out, the FACTS he opted to rely on ended up smacking him the head .....

No, the facts I quoted supported the assertions I made in that post.

The facts you pulled out lent some weight to yours but have zero impact on this:

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php

I don't give a rats ass about objections to 1901 and Yost. His record counts.

Moreover, I made the point that osu, along with the other notable cheating schools like Auburn and Oregon, advanced their records (closed the gap, in osu's case, with Michigan), by dubious means.

No one in CFB outside of the idiotic fan base of which you are a member of distinction, thinks otherwise.

Now, doffing my hat to your points with respect to the on field performance of my boys in the maze and blue compared to yours in the scarlet and gray, the last decade - in fact the period since 2001 - has been dreadful .... and that is an understatement.

Unfortunately for you and yours, a good case can be made that all those wins during that awful time, everyone one of them, are stained by the reality of your beloved (not mine) liar, jim tressel.

Moreover, and perhaps more importantly since this one is so obvious, Michigan has a horrible penchant for what can only be described as a love for self immolation. No one with a brain will fail to see how impotent Michigan's football program was during the final Carr years, during the catastrophe that was the Rodriguez years and now during the period of the hangover Rodriguez created. No one will fail to see how terribly mismanaged Carr's retirement was and the huge impact it had on M's ability to succeed on the field.

That's changing. But the salient point is that during that period of impotence, MSU and osu benefited and, as everyone in the CFB world knows, osu had the added benefit, in Michigan's' time of weakness, of advancing its selfish interests by lying and cheating.

Which gets me right back to the link above. Deal with it.

[Optimus Prime]

Appears Peppers may just have.

http://m.detnews.com/sports/article?...5020471&f=1209

[iam416]

Buchanan:

When you speak of how M has sucked and is inferior, you're on point.

When you start injecting your bullshit about OSU, it's just dull.

According to the ratings YOU tout: Ohio State has been better than Michigan over the past 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, 25 years, 50 years, 75 years and, 100 years. Short-term; mid-term; long-term: OSU has jsut been better.

Facts.

8-1.

Facts.

6 B10 titles in the past 8 seasons.

Facts.

16 > 1.

Facts.

More importantly than all of the history, OSU is on a 12 game winning streak, UFM has yet to lose to anyone as Ohio State coach, OSU returns gads of starters including Braxton Miller and OSU will be a preseason top 5.

Good times aboard the FLAGSHIP.

[lineygoblue]

Of course, absent those rules violations, Ohio State might not have traded up to one of the two best coaches in the game, one of two coaches to win multiple 2 BCS titles and perhaps the only active coach with two undefeated seasons at two different schools.

Take pride, OlieO .. take pride.

Just win, baby... just win.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Buchanan:

When you speak of how M has sucked and is inferior, you're on point.

When you start injecting your bullshit about OSU, it's just dull.
Good times aboard the FLAGSHIP.

With regard to osu and M football, you and I just see the world through a different lens.

No sense in going round and round.

Check back with me in ten years.

[iam416]

More than happy to. I reckon you probably told me the same thing 10 years ago, so consider this a check-in. Heh heh heh.

You're right in how we view the programs. I try to limit my take on M to demonstrable fact, especially when it comes to a discussion of historic performance or performance over any significant span. Winning percentage, conference titles, national titles and a host of other facts. Reasonable folks may disagree as to how to weigh those facts. Some may say national titles are all that matters (or, in the case of 2013 hoops, getting to a title game). Others may emphasize conference titles. There's much room for debate and discussion.

You, however, invariably and almost immediately inject your own bias-driven speculation into the conversation. And that's just dull.

Two different perspectives, no doubt.

As an example, it's perfectly fine to use quarter-centuries or even decades to talk about consistency in a program. It's perfectly fine to argue that M has been better program in more decades and is thus more consistent. Or something to that effect. You even started that way with the quarter-century bit. There's much to take issue with in that analysis, but it's at least objective and quantitative. That's interesting (for example, what way is better, segmented time blocks, looking backward time blocks, all-time, etc). Unfortunately, it's an immediate jump into your bullshit from there. That's not interesting. There was a M poster in the day who did the same thing with Nebraska -- who would discount all 1962-2001 success as a product of steroid abuse. Good ol' Glen.

Such is life.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Excellent work today, Talent. Like one of the 300 beating back the hordes of decadent Persians.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Excellent work today, Talent. Like one of the 300 beating back the hordes of decadent Persians.

About as useful as Kim Jong-un praising his father Kim Jong-il

Two peas in a pod ..... delusional, paranoid schizophrenics each.

By any measure .... osu #5, Michigan #4 and it would be a much bigger spread save the lying, cheating 10 years of jim tressle.