M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[hack]

Crable was flagged, so lets be generous and assume the hit was illegal. DSL are you claiming that that Crable play is comparable to the two instanced in which an OSU defender tried to injure someone after the tackle had been made?

[Dr. Strangelove]

Crable was flagged, so lets be generous and assume the hit was illegal. DSL are you claiming that that Crable play is comparable to the two instanced in which an OSU defender tried to injure someone after the tackle had been made?

No but one or two instances (over a span of 10 years) of OSU players commiting dirty plays (both from about 8 years ago) is being used here to establish that OSU plays dirty, PERIOD, and they are coached to do so.

Therefore, logically, if we can find just two illegal hits that Michigan has commited in the past 10 years, does the same logic follow that Michigan is coached to purposely play dirty? Heck let's even raise the bar higher and make it 5 illegal hits over 10 years. Sounds like a pattern for cheap play!!

[hack]

You can find no reason to make a distinction between what happens before the whistle and what happens after it?

[lineygoblue]

You can find no reason to make a distinction between what happens before the whistle and what happens after it?

The only thing that most OhNo State fans care about is beating Michigan. They don't really care how they get there, or what is done before, during or after the game. The bottom line with them is scoreboard. Get the higher number, no matter what the cost.

Winning with honor, dignity and class has no place in Columbus, when it comes to Michigan.

Now, do they want to be PERCEIVED as a squeeky clean program, full of delightfully wonderful people who help old ladies across the street and take in homeless kittens? Certainly, they do.

But, in light of recent events, that facade has fallen into ashes. They're just like any other SEC team caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Fortunately for OhNo, they do have friends in the Big Ten office, and in the NCAA. I have serious doubts that the recent revelations of dishonesty will be appropriately dealt with.

Money, and winning, decides everything.

[Jamie H]

I never said Reynolds was coached to do what he did. What I found reprehensible, and what exposed Tressel as a man with no morals or conscience in regards to winning football games, was that after the event, which is probably the 2nd most heinous thing I've seen during a football game (with that face stomp in the NFL being the worst) Tressel wasn't even going to discipline Reynolds. Meaning he didn't really care that his player had choked the opposing QB out of the game. Tressel only acted once the Big Ten made it clear they were going to step in if he didn't.

That showed us everything we needed to know about St. Jim. Do anything to win, even cause physical harm after the whistle. If it helps the team, he's not going to punish you, even if what you did was disgusting and reprehensible.

A normal coach with an actual conscience would have loudly denouced what Reynolds did and suspended him for multiple games at the MINIMUM, and probably would have kicked him right off the team. Tressel wasn't going to do ANYTHING. Apparently he saw nothing really wrong with the situation, which is just mind-boggling.

[hack]

Haynesworth apologized and got a 5-game suspension.

[lineygoblue]

Tressel wasn't even going to discipline Reynolds. Meaning he didn't really care that his player had choked the opposing QB out of the game. Tressel only acted once the Big Ten made it clear they were going to step in if he didn't.

That was the thing that really shocked me. Tressel approached the Reynolds situation the same way he approached the dog-sniffing thing with Michigan. He acted like nothing happened. Finally, when the Big Ten started talking about taking its own action, Tressel jumped up and slapped Reynolds on the wrist.

Had Woody Hayes still been the coach, he would have tossed Reynolds off the team. Not just for the act of choking an opponent, but for embarrassing the university.

[Jamie H]

But doesn't that translate exactly to how he handled the current situation? Don't do anything until someone makes you, and even then try to give the absolute minimum punishment possible.

He didn't need to kick Reynolds off the team, but he damn well needed to make a strong statement that that kind of shit doesn't belong on a football field and that he was going to make sure it didn't happen again. Some sort of suspension was clearly in order.

But in St. Jim's world, that kind of stuff isn't a big deal.

Personally, I think what Reynolds did was 10 times worse than when that Oregon guy threw a punch postgame, and he was suspended for at least half of a season (and was actually kicked off the team and had to be reinstated mid-season if I remember).

[Pasadena Blue]

couldn't have stated any better. Wish we get one our O-state friends to stick to point at hand and not misdirect.

[*JD*]

Tressel sexes little dead boys with his glass trophy.




Was that too much?

[lineygoblue]

Yeah, probably.

[Dr. Strangelove]

When yer the champs, you're the subject of a lot of pettiness and bitterness. Comes with the territory.

Everyone loves the plucky losers of the Michigan program. Purdue, Northwestern, Sparty, heck, they all look forward to when the Wolverines come to town

[hack]

Not many bullets in that gun, it seems.

[Jeff Buchanan]

When yer the champs, you're the subject of a lot of pettiness and bitterness. Comes with the territory.

Everyone loves the plucky losers of the Michigan program. Purdue, Northwestern, Sparty, heck, they all look forward to when the Wolverines come to town

Rolls eyes ........

When you are "champs" on the legs of cheating nobody gives a shit.

Mark McGuire, along with scores of cheating baseball "champs" are an afterthought ..... Ben Johnson? What is he remembered for? Certainly not his speedyness on the track. Here's another great example of a strong competitor that is not remembered for excellence in her sport:

Tonya Harding.

If the NCAA sacks up like they should, osu football success during the jim tressel era is going to look pretty empty.

[lineygoblue]

When yer the champs, you're the subject of a lot of pettiness and bitterness. Comes with the territory.

We know this from first hand experience.

And, in the Big Ten, we ARE everyone's "big" game. Anywhere we go, no matter what our record, .. everyone wants to beat Michigan, and Michigan is their red letter game.