M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[WM Wolverine]

Hit you see in football every other game that usually isn't called a penalty, whats your point?

Was it called helmet-to-helmet contact? Well it wasn't. Was it called hit out-of-bounds? He wasn't out of bounds.

I have no clue how that game ends if that penalty isn't called but the call was awful.

[geo weidl]

Ohio State Memorabilia Scandal Hits The History Channel

by Holly Anderson • Apr 5, 2011 2:56 PM EDT
The facts are these: Ohio State gold pants charms, traditionally treasured pieces of player memorabilia, were featured on Monday night’s episode of Pawn Stars. One allegedly belongs to defensive lineman Doug Worthington. Doug Worthington says no, they are not his gold pants.
We do not find this news particularly shocking or titillating, apart from our amusement that even the History Channel is now complicit in the obvious conspiracy to bring down the regime of God’s pinchiest sideline angel, Jim Tressel. We do, however, await breathlessly the creation of a DOUG WORTHINGTON GOLD PANTS BIRTHERS FOR TRUTH Facebook group.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Hit you see in football every other game that usually isn't called a penalty, whats your point?

Was it called helmet-to-helmet contact? Well it wasn't. Was it called hit out-of-bounds? He wasn't out of bounds.

I have no clue how that game ends if that penalty isn't called but the call was awful.

LOL @ the call being awful. Total homerism at its best. It was completely helmet-to-helmet. But then, as a "Michigan Man", I'm not surprised you don't think so. You think it was a "good clean hit".

[Dr. Strangelove]

On a friendlier note, a breakdown of today's practice, the second in pads

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/25094/notes-from-ohio-states-practice

[CGVT]

LOL @ the call being awful. Total homerism at its best. It was completely helmet-to-helmet. ".

And out of bounds. That was a penalty at any level. What a stupid play. It cost Michigan the game.

[lineygoblue]

It was also a call that is routinely ignored by the zebras. You have to be fair to both players. Before throwing that flag, you have to ask, did the defensive player have a choice? Did he have time to ease up before the hit, or was it a continuation of the on field action.

2-3 weeks later, an IDENTICAL play occurred in the USC v UCLA game, and no flag was thrown. In fact, that hit is still used on College Game Day in its "highlight reels", and the commentators at the game gushed about what a "great" play it was.

Crable's hit was far from "dirty". At the very, absolute, worst ... it was over-zealousness. He aimed for Smith's shoulder pads, with his OWN shoulder pads. And, as Smith did a thousand times before, he tucked his head, and tried to gain a couple more yards. Smith's action caused the contact to be helmet to helmet, not Crable.

By time the contact was made, the two players were on the sideline. It looked bad, due to the proximity of the play. If that play happens out on the numbers, nothing happens. If it were a "dirty" play, you must conclude that a flag would be thrown even if it occurred out in the middle of the hashes.

It was the decisive play of the game, no doubt.

[Jamie H]

It was also a call that is routinely ignored by the zebras. You have to be fair to both players. Before throwing that flag, you have to ask, did the defensive player have a choice? Did he have time to ease up before the hit, or was it a continuation of the on field action.

2-3 weeks later, an IDENTICAL play occurred in the USC v UCLA game, and no flag was thrown. In fact, that hit is still used on College Game Day in its "highlight reels", and the commentators at the game gushed about what a "great" play it was.

Crable's hit was far from "dirty". At the very, absolute, worst ... it was over-zealousness. He aimed for Smith's shoulder pads, with his OWN shoulder pads. And, as Smith did a thousand times before, he tucked his head, and tried to gain a couple more yards. Smith's action caused the contact to be helmet to helmet, not Crable.

By time the contact was made, the two players were on the sideline. It looked bad, due to the proximity of the play. If that play happens out on the numbers, nothing happens. If it were a "dirty" play, you must conclude that a flag would be thrown even if it occurred out in the middle of the hashes.

It was the decisive play of the game, no doubt.

Strangelove is right that the play was homerism at it's best. It was homerism because the mainreason the call was made was that it was on the OSU sideline in Columbus. If that play occurs on the Michigan sideline in Ann Arbor, that flag probably doesn't get thrown.

That play happens quite a bit. Smith was trying to throw the ball. Crable was diving trying to stop him. Sometimes it is flagged. Just as often it is not. No one who has any clue about football would ever put it forth as being a dirty play.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Shoul a reasonable, non-Michigan homer would conclude that Crable was intentionally trying to harm Troy Smith, much to the applause of the M coaching staff? Michigan teaches its players to play that way?

[Dr. Strangelove]

Ohio State will open against Vanderbilt in 2013. This means that for at least the next four seasons, we will play two BCS conference teams every year. Schedule improvement, certainly

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6300594

[entropy]

Onward Christian soldiers!

looks like OSU is going camo to hide from the NCAA...

[entropy]

Re DSL's implication that tressel's actions are not a big deal relatively speaking .....

I think jt's crimes will rate right up there with the worst in CFB history unless there is stuff we don't know about that truly does mitigate them.
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actually, in the bigger scheme of things, what OSU did is less than Auburn, USC, Oregon, the SEC... is it right? no.. but at least from what we know, they didn't get paid 200K. Most of what they sold was their personal property. I'm not excusing it nor am I saying it was right, but there are degrees of rule breaking.

[geo weidl]

looks like OSU is going camo to hide from the NCAA...

Phase 1 of image control. This pic has been all over the internet. Who would want to fire someone for being behind the troops.

[Jamie H]

actually, in the bigger scheme of things, what OSU did is less than Auburn, USC, Oregon, the SEC... is it right? no.. but at least from what we know, they didn't get paid 200K. Most of what they sold was their personal property. I'm not excusing it nor am I saying it was right, but there are degrees of rule breaking.

As has been said in this thread--the acts of the OSU players and the severity of them are pretty much irrelevant here. It is the intentional coverup by Tressel that is the only real issue. And that coverup, i.e. willfully lying to the NCAA in order to preserve the eligibilty of players you suspect or know are ineligible, is pretty high up there on the NCAA offense list.

[Jeff Buchanan]

As has been said in this thread--the acts of the OSU players and the severity of them are pretty much irrelevant here. It is the intentional coverup by Tressel that is the only real issue. And that coverup, i.e. willfully lying to the NCAA in order to preserve the eligibilty of players you suspect or know are ineligible, is pretty high up there on the NCAA offense list.

This ....

I don't give a shit about players selling gold pants or getting tats for duds. Frankly, the stuff belongs to the players, they can do what they want with it.

but ....

Its a rule. There are reasons for rules. Rules are in place to govern the conduct of civilized society (and football players enrolled in NCAA sanctioned sports). The alternative to rules is chaos.

Rule breaking invites a culture of dishonesty. Wide spread rule breaking, looking the other way at it, invites chaos. This is what I think the situation is at osu and why it so vitally important that the NCAA act in a way that sends a strong message: you break the rules, you flaunt them, like it appears tressel and perhaps smith and gee have done, you are not going to participate in NCAA sports.

[Hannibal]

As has been said in this thread--the acts of the OSU players and the severity of them are pretty much irrelevant here. It is the intentional coverup by Tressel that is the only real issue. And that coverup, i.e. willfully lying to the NCAA in order to preserve the eligibilty of players you suspect or know are ineligible, is pretty high up there on the NCAA offense list.

Let's be real here. Everyone out side of Columbus knows that this isn't Tressel's only offense. It's only the first time that he has gotten caught. At best, he has been playing the "see no evil, hear no evil" game for his whole career. At worst, he has been actively participating and coordinating a payola machine with "friends of the program". According to Maurice Clarett, the latter is the case, and let's just say that the facts that are available to us right now support Maurice's version of events better than they support Tressel's.