M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[Jamie H]

I'm with Jeff--I find it rather annoying when a public figure wears their religion on their sleeve and makes it a very public part of their persona, yet then you find out that behind closed doors it is all an act, or at least that they are far better at TALKING about being religious than ACTING like it.

Unfortunately, I find that the people who actually live their lives the most religiously don't tend to be very overtly public with their faith.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Vote yourself ..... MSNBC Sports. bucknuts usually swarm to polls like this flooding them in their favor which makes the results interesting.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/26/poll-should-tressel-keep-his-job/related

[WM Wolverine]

Polls like that are inflated by those like OSU fans voting about a topic that pertains to them.

[hack]

Not to start up with you personally, Entropy, and I didn't mean to equate Nebraska with OSU in those strict terms. I was responding, however, to liney's ``heck with OSU, bring on Nebraska'' statement, which to me (I could be mistaken) implied NU as a more worthy counterpart.

I know it was a long time ago and all, and surely we don't want to rehash 97, but as a result of all that Nebraska's program is likely to always be largely defined for me by Frost on the podium that morning blowing the coaches and writers and talking shit about Michigan and its program. I'm surprised by the amount of respect your program is afforded here, and that may be in no small part because you're a good guy and a valued contributor. Maybe NU has changed since then, but the guy who was coach then is AD now. Those here who tend to think that NU and UM's programs are similar in approach (I've read the word values here) should remember that for a player coached by Lloyd Carr that sort of conduct is pretty far off the radar screen.

[geo weidl]

Just a further note about Ent's pics, reading articles this week about the osu situation and the comments posted after on various sites, it is not just the M nation that are wringing their hands, everyone else is as well.

[Jamie H]

Hack, I think the difference is whining about poll voting is a lot different than cheating to win Big Ten Titles.

Familiarity breeds contempt. I'm sure we'll hate Nebraska in another 10 years or so. Then again, we don't hate Penn State, but that's just because we've beat them up so much.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Hack .... that was me who said bring on Nebraska.

I'm 1/2 way serious. Maybe I'll change my mind after the 2011 season and as the tressel/osu saga plays itself out but I am so disgusted at what osu has done and what it represents right now, I don't want that football program to be considered a rival any more.

If what jim tressel has done turns out to be an accurate portrayal of his conduct and what he has done to the face of osu football sticks, I'm done with them. osu does not belong on the same football field with any of the rest of the B10 conference teams.

[lineygoblue]

I'm with Jeff. We've had ten years of Tressel's "father knows best" image being crammed down our throats, while a lot of us suspected that all was not what it was portrayed to be.

There have been red flags along the way, indicating that he was not as squeeky clean as he puts himself up to be. For me, the Reynolds incident, the incident where Will Smith tried to break Chris Perry's leg, and the dog-search thing gave a more accurate indication of what Tressel is all about.

I know a handful of people who are friends of mine, and are OhNo fans. As much as I appreciate their friendship, I have no sympathy for the team they support. Its time the good Ohio State fans (however few they may be) stood up and demanded better from their program.

[entropy]

Hack, I think the difference is whining about poll voting is a lot different than cheating to win Big Ten Titles.

Familiarity breeds contempt. I'm sure we'll hate Nebraska in another 10 years or so. Then again, we don't have Penn State, but that's just because we've beat them up so much.

You guys already hate Nebraska. Don't kid yourself.

[Malto Marko]

........not me. I became a fan in the 70's because I thought the Nebraska-Oklahoma games were just as spirited as the Michigan-Tatoo U games. I loved rooting for the Huskers (that is until they undeservedly shared a National Championship with the team that was really deserving;-)).

[Jamie H]

Yeah, I don't hate Nebraska either. I think Scott Frost was a whiney crybaby, but there really hasn't been much history to hate. The only meaningful game the teams have ever played (that I can remember) was the '85 Fiesta Bowl.

I actually loved seeing Nebraska pancake Florida back in the '95 Orange Bowl or whatever it was. I hate several teams from the SEC way more than Nebraska.

[hack]

OK, yes -- Tressel not only shit on OSU but has lessened the meaning of The Game as well, at least for now. And we've known its an SEC program masquerading as a B10 program. But that doesn't change what happened with Frost and Nebraska, which was just jaw-droppingly wrong. Osborne could have and should have put a stop to that or some other adult in Lincoln should have, or at least apologized later. There is simply no reason whatsoever in the sporting context not to hate that program. Or, if too much time has passed, lets at the very least stop it with the notion that it is a respectable program, or one run by people with integrity. The same person is in charge.

[lineygoblue]

I feel the same. I don't have any hatred toward the Huskerz over '97. They basically did the same thing Michigan did. They won all their games. The voters are the ones who messed everything up.

I just wish the two teams could have played a game and settled it once and for all.

[Jamie H]

What Nebraska did in '97 was no worse than all the crying Urban Meyer did in '06.

Honestly, what was Osborne supposed to do, say he DIDN'T want to be #1? As liney said, it is the voters fault that they fell for it. Of course, I know Hannibal will disagree with this, but as long as you depend on idiot voters to determine things, you really deserve the bullshit that arises from said votes.

[hack]

None of our players acted that way. There's a good reason why. Same reason why a player like Lawrence Phillips was kept on the field as much as possible there but never would have even been recruited here. I guess you're right, in a sense -- Osborne was playing the game just like a Tressel might, and NU can choose its own standards to hold itself too. I simply am objecting to the respect afforded to his program on this board. It is not a program worthy of respect for a history of integrity and it is in particular jarring to hear it favorably compared to UM in that way. Treasonous, really, when you factor in how Osborne let his player publicly attack UM.