M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[Hannibal]

Exactly. OSU has just laid the blueprint for the illegal NCAA program. You hire coaches who cheat and just don't tell you about it. Then, if you happen to get unlucky and get caught, you just fire them and go on like nothing happened.

Pathetic. I think the Auburn situation is even more pathetic, but if any two incidents showed the NCAA no longer has any purpose in football, it is these two.

You don't even necessarily have to fire the coach. OSU wasn't going to fire Tressel until the Dohrman article came out. The NCAA also obviously isn't going to penalize institutions for lying and doublespeak, such as when NCAA contradicted their own written evaluations of Tressel by claiming that he had an exemplary history of NCAA compliance.

I hope that Brady Hoke and Dave Brandon are watching. Brandon to Hoke: "Win at all costs. Do absolutely nothing that leaves a paper trail. Don't keep me in the loop."

[Hannibal]

Dohrmann's tweet from yesterday...

"NCAA met with SI source on OSU story, said it couldn't grant him confidentiality. So, players walk. Happens. SI story still 100% accurate"

[entropy]

You have to fire them to say the problem is gone. The NCAA has basically redefined lack of institutional control to you had knowledge. No longer are you suppose to know, but rather just prove you didn't... Those who did will be paid off and removed. The school moves on.

[Rocky Bleier]

We knew the NCAA is a joke. Wouldn't surprise me if they were taking payments from schools. Time to turn our attention to the field where clean programs can still win with honor.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Yeah Dohrmann's source is willing to whisper things to a reporter but not willing to go on the record for "fear of retribution".

[Jeff Buchanan]

The problem, in the osu case, lies with the NCAA not being able to complel testimony.

Of course the NCAA is not going to find a connection between Talbott, players and cars b/c nobody is going to talk about it.

Also of interest in this is news of a stipulation in the NCAA rules that allows players to buy equipment and, once it's their's, they can do with it as they please. This is reportedly what happened and osu records support that conclusion .... so, speculation about the "equipment cage being open" w/no one minding the store just didn't hold water.

osu fans do have something to celebrate but they're not out of the woods yet. The NCAA has determined (1) that they are not going to issue a new LOA. (2) The COI will go forward as planned and osu will make it's case that they have imposed sufficient penalties for jt's lying.

I don't see a lot of change here other than the Talbott deal/Cars and equipment being sold issue are not going to be pursued as additonal violations of NCAA rules. There are still hurdles for osu to cross not the least of which is the issue of gaining an unfair advantage by playing inelgible players during the 2010 season. I don't think the NCAA is going to view that favorably with respect to assessing the level of penalties that osu has self imposed.

What I'm hearing is that osu will still have some scholarship reductions (but less than USC's) and will have a one year post season ban. To keep osu from rehiring tressel as has been suggested by some, jt's going to get a Show Cause letter for lying ..... he's not going to go back to osu.

The biggest loss for osu has already occured. tressle is gone and there are two recruiting seasons of uncertainty for osu ahead of them. Moreover, their record is seriously tarnished. Other B10 schools will have a temporary recruiting advantage that might persist beyond the time frame above for some schools .... I would say those would be MSU, M and PSU. Depending on what happpens to ficklell and osu's W/L record going forward will determine how long the recruiting problems last for osu.

I can't get that upset with what came out yesterday. It is what it is because of what College Presidents have made of the NCAA. Complinace remains a cooperative endeavor with the schools in the driver's seat, lots of gray area and plenty of wiggle room to stretch the rules to the advantage of programs that want to play that way. The impact of this is, as has been stated, the playing field is not level because of the ability of some elite programs to stretch the rules. But until a mechanism to enforce compliance with a set of meaningful rules is developed, we're going to see more of this.

[SeattleLionsFan]

Why is cheating so rampant in the NCAA?? Because it's worth it.

[Rocky Bleier]

Vacate wins, but keep the money!

[*JD*]

Yeah Dohrmann's source is willing to whisper things to a reporter but not willing to go on the record for "fear of retribution".

Of course that's all in his head. That's why Kirk Herbstreet still lives comfortably in Stinktown. Stinktown is not filled with ignorant, blood-thirsty, Brutus slappies. Baaaaaaaaaaa

[geo weidl]

There is an article in the ny times, that reads that the auburn investigation is still on going as per an ncaa official.

N.C.A.A. Inquiry of Auburn Isn’t Over, Exchange Reveals

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/ncaas-investigation-of-auburn-isnt-over-yet.html?_r=2&ref=ncaafootball

[lineygoblue]

Someone mentioned upthread that the parameters have now changed.

I agree.

All a HC has to do is keep the AD and everyone above him "out of the loop", and cheating is fine. Sure, the coach MIGHT lose his job, but then again, he might not.

As someone else said, it doesn't appear that the NCAA would have compelled OLieO to fire Tressel. OLieO may have acted too soon. They should have kept fighting, because they may have been able to keep him.

Brady Hoke and his staff need to start cheating. After all, it doesn't matter, does it?

[Jeff Buchanan]

Regarding Auburn .... heard from a guy who I trust that Gene Chizek, a part of the audience, during a talk by the head of NCAA Compliance during the SEC Media Week in Birmingham, stood up, interrupted her and asked when the investigation of Auburn was going to be complete. Audience was obvioulsy taken aback as this appeared to be planned. He recieved a polite answer and then kept pushing. She told him, "the investigation of Auburn will be done when I say it is, please take your seat."

What this shows me is how little respect, people who should have respect and set an example of such, don't respect the NCAA. I think this institution is in trouble. We're going to see changes and it is going to come from the Presidents and the Conference offices.

[Mackenzie]

OlieO = Casey Anthony

[SeanB]

Equating unethical conduct in college football with the death of a todder is absolutely asinine, regardless if you meant it as a joke or not.

[SeanB]

From what I understand, the NCAA has only stated that there will be no further investigation of the memorabilia sales as related to the Tat 5, the named and already investigated additional players in the SI piece, and Tressel's knowledge of all of that.

This means that the inquiries into Talbott and the accusation of paying Pryor are not a closed case. At least, that's how I read it. Maybe I'm mistaken.