M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[whodean]

Losing Tressell is a bigger blow to the Buckeyes than nearly anything else the NCAA could do to them.

[Dr. Strangelove]

There's going to be significant scholarship reductions and I'm guessing a one-year bowl ban. Failure to monitor and not LOIC. And it'll mainly be because of Tressel's lying, not the rubbish about players getting new cars every week for next-to-nothing

[Jeff Buchanan]

damn ..... DSL and I agree.

[Hannibal]

OK, so let me get this straight. Both of you guys think that the NCAA will either completely ignore or find OSU completely innocent with regards to:

1. Dennis Talbott
2. OSU's completely inept compliance department (which has never uncovered anything of significance until somebody outside the university did it first)
3. A decade of free tattoos and other shenanigans
4. OSU's lame response to Tressel's cheating
5. Pryor's numerous "loaner" vehicles, which nobody with even the remotest sense of reason could possibly conclude did not constitute improper benefits.
6. Whatever else comes out

Maybe you're right, but I'd be surprised.

[Dr. Strangelove]

OK, so let me get this straight. Both of you guys think that the NCAA will completely ignore Dennis Talbott, OSU's completely inept compliance department (which has never uncovered anything of significance until somebody outside the university did it first), a decade of free tattoos and other shenanigans, OSU's lame response to Tressel's cheating, and Pryor's numerous "loaner" vehicles?

Maybe you're right, but I'd be surprised.

Nearly everything you mention has little of substance to back it up at this point.

Does what's been proven about OSU thus far deserve more severe punsihment than what Baylor basketball got? I don't recall if they were a 'repeat offender' but they were found guilty of:

* The coaching staff paid for two players' tuition
* Coaches directly bought clothes, food, lodging for players
* Covering up players testing positive for drugs
* In order to cover up that he'd been paying for Dennehy's tuition, the head coach encouraged his team and ordered his staff to lie to the NCAA and federal investigators by telling them that Dennehy was a drug dealer

Baylor lost scholarships, had recruiting restrictions, banned from non-conf games for a year, and got a one-year postseason ban

No one can tell me with a straight face that OSU violations sink to the sewer of what Baylor basketball was found guilty of (and they're already a power again, btw)

[SeanB]

Easier to become a power again in basketball with a 5-man starting roster.

But I see your point about the other stuff. Only time will tell what the NCAA will do to osu. It won't be program crippling, but it will sting for awhile, IMO.

[entropy]

I'm hoping the NCAA donkey punches OSU. Nebraska plays them. I have no mercy.

[Jeff Buchanan]

OK, so let me get this straight. Both of you guys think that the NCAA will either completely ignore or find OSU completely innocent with regards to ...... Maybe you're right, but I'd be surprised.

The talbott disclosures are damaging but in a hearsay sort of way. I think there is paper trail between tp and talbott that would now or at some point in the future support the allegation that tp made a good deal of money with this deal and clearly adds up to receipt of a significant level of inappropriate benefits. But that is now moot from the standpoint of tp's eligibility.

However, failure to monitor and knew or should have known certainly apply to osu's football program and any reasonable assessment of the effectiveness of their compliance effort.

I think the payments to pryor are big and he is a scum bag for taking them. But he's gone. The question has to be asked did someone beside tressel (also gone) in compliance or elsewhere know about this. So far there is no indication that they did. Should they have known.? Yes. Hence the failure to monitor violation.

The talbott stuff is important in relationship to questions the NCAA will ask about what was known or should have been known about this and who knew about it if anyone beyond tressel. How the COI perceives osu officials, including jim tressel, answer these questions will go a long way in determining how hard the hammer falls.

This is where USC failed ..... they tried to deflect and deride the COI's reasonable inquiries in the face of facts that a coach on Carroll's staff knew about payments to Bush and his family even though there was only circumstantial proof of such payments.

I believe osu officials will privately be upfront with this acknowledging that they should have known about these payments and have taken steps a, b, and c to make sure it does not happen again.

We still don't now how wide spread receipt of inappropriate benefits among current players is. We know that around 10-12 players did receive something but I believe it is unclear whether or not the benefits violated NCAA rules. I think the NCAA and osu officials know the answer to that question but we're not going to know for a while.

Moreover, I believe the answer to that question determines whether osu gets hit with LOIC. So far, the information available to the public makes it appear that osu has this issue falling in their favor.

[Optimus Prime]

DSL perhaps you should join OSU's "Compliance Department" at least you had the temerity to take your comeuppance when Tressel's house of cards came crashing down.

As for your cohorts, Talent, Regel Buck, Paul S. et al, all MIA at present, although they have been posting for nearly a decade at the Michigan Forum in the past.

[whodean]

The shame got to 'em.

[lineygoblue]

FWIW, I've been in touch with Paul S.

He's one of very few Bucknut fans who have a conscience. He's very upset with OhNo over all this stuff.

He still thinks we are "wolverieenies" tho ...

[entropy]

Paul has always been an intelligent guy.

[*JD*]

There's going to be significant scholarship reductions and I'm guessing a one-year bowl ban. Failure to monitor and not LOIC. And it'll mainly be because of Tressel's lying, not the rubbish about players getting new cars every week for next-to-nothing

Tressel lied?

[lineygoblue]

Still hard to believe, huh?

[entropy]

A tattoo parlor owner whose purchase of Ohio State football memorabilia triggered an NCAA investigation of the school pleaded guilty Tuesday to drug trafficking and money laundering charges.

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