M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[hodgkal]

And it really goes back a loooong way! I mentioned a few years ago about my fraternity brothers who traveled to Columbus way back in, I think it was 1951, to attend the game. When they returned to their car

[hodgkal]

continuing... their tires had been slashed. An early example of the hospitality shown Michiganders at The Ohio State University.

[WM Wolverine]

Concur with Jeff, there was little to no motivation for Maurice Clarrett to make up those allegations back in '03 unless there was truth to them. Add in Tressel's tenure at Youngstown (LOIC, pay to play), and the smoke was in Ohio almost as soon as JT took over in Columbus...

As I've stated since this mess started to come to light, OSU football will be fine LONGTERM. Sure they'll (deservingly) suffer the affects of the upcoming sanctions, probation and hit in reputation but there is too much talent in Ohio that is loyal for them to be down for long. They'll be back.

[Tony G]

Re: OSU going Eunich
I don't think so. It is huge for us. Wisconsin doesn't compete head-to-head with OSU for recruits. We do, and both teams play OSU each year.

OSUo is still going to be the dream destination for most kids in Ohio. They'll grow up watching NCAA football in their Dad;s buckeye room with all the memorabilia slathered on the walls. U-M needs at least a competent OSU to preserve The Game. It's been on the ropes for a while now and the only way to bring it back to its prominence is to have two well matched teams slugging it out. An Occasional 45-7 trouncing is good but you need your share of games that come down to the last series to lift U-M's cache and to keep the Big10 in the spotlight.

[entropy]

on another board a Nebraska fan was talking about his interaction with an OSU fan over lunch. I guess he had on a red polo shirt with the Nebraska block N over the heart. So the OSU fan started talking about the BigTen, how tough it is going to be, how nebraska isn't use to seeing defenses, how OSU is going to beat them, etc. After a little friendly banter the OSU fan asks the Nebraska fan if he knew what the N stood for.. The Nebraska fan said "not under NCAA investigation". The OSU fan left.

[Tony G]

Terrelle Pryor yet to apply with NFL


Entering the NFL's supplemental draft is Terrelle Pryor's "desire," according to his attorney. But might he be better off first playing professional football in the United Football League?
A well-placed UFL source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter Wednesday that Pryor would benefit from the coaching in the league, which includes high-profile former NFL coaches such as Marty Schottenheimer, Dennis Green, Jim Fassel and Jerry Glanville. The source said he believes there's "a decent shot" Pryor could wind up playing this year in the UFL.

The former Ohio State quarterback hasn't yet applied with the NFL for the supplemental draft, attorney Larry James told ESPN's Joe Schad Wednesday.
An Ohio State spokesman told ESPN on Wednesday: "We anticipate that Terrelle will be eligible for the NFL supplemental draft."
Because NFL rules dictate that a player must have new eligibility issues develop from the time the April NFL draft concludes, this is an indication Ohio State was changing Pryor's eligibilty status, a person familiar with NCAA compliance told Schad on Wednesday.
Pryor had been suspended for the first five games of this season for violations of NCAA extra benefits rules.
To be eligible for the supplemental draft, a player must request an application for special ability. If the player meets the criteria (such as losing his eligibility or becoming academically ineligible), he would be sent an application from the NFL and must submit it to the league office before the deadline, which has not been set yet.
James said Pryor may file his paperwork with the NFL early next week, but they are still exploring the deadlines and rules for doing so. The attorney also said that Pryor might train with quarterback guru George Whitfield, who trained Cam Newton for the NFL draft and played for former Buckeyes coach Jim Tressel.
James said various sports agents and trainers and quarterback coaches had already reached out to Pryor through him and that the quarterback would weigh his options. On Tuesday, James acknowledged that the NFL's ongoing lockout could lead Pryor to consider playing in the Canadian Football League, as well.
Few NFL draft experts consider the 6-foot-6, 233-pound Pryor to be NFL-ready as a quarterback. With his speed and size, he might be better suited as a big wide receiver in the mold of Plaxico Burress.
Despite the NFL's labor uncertainty, sources at the NFL told Schefter and ESPN.com's John Clayton that the league believes it can hold a supplemental draft.
"If there are players that apply and are deemed eligible, there will be a supplemental draft," a league source told Schefter. The supplemental draft, if needed, would be held sometime in July.
Teams submit picks to the league; the team with the highest bid receives the player, but loses the corresponding pick in the next draft.
According to James, neither interim Ohio State coach Luke Fickell nor Buckeyes athletic director Gene Smith suggested that Pryor leave the school.
"The fun was gone for him," James said.
He said Pryor was hurt by criticism by former Buckeyes players and at least one current one.
Pryor's departure announcement Tuesday came just eight days after Tressel was forced to resign for knowing about the players' improper benefits but not telling any of his superiors.
Later Tuesday night, "Outside the Lines" reporters Tom Farrey and Justine Gubar reported that a friend of Pryor's, who requested anonymity, says he witnessed the quarterback autographing memorabilia in 2009-10 a minimum of 35 to 40 times and that Pryor netted anywhere from $20,000 to $40,000 last year for doing so.
The former friend told ESPN that Pryor was paid $500 to $1,000 each time he signed mini football helmets and other gear for a Columbus businessman and freelance photographer, Dennis Talbott.
"Outside the Lines" reported Talbott twice denied that he ever paid Pryor or any other active Buckeyes student-athlete to sign memorabilia.
James said Wednesday the report connecting Pryor to Talbott is "fiction." He said Talbott does not have the financials to possibly have given out the kind of money reported. He said a court filing in Franklin County, Ohio, will show Talbott's extensive financial woes.
Ohio State will go before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions Aug. 12.
James said he's not sure if Pryor will speak with the NCAA moving forward. With Pryor no longer a college football player, he is no longer obligated to meet with the NCAA.
Information from ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, ESPN college football reporter Joe Schad, ESPN.com senior NFL writer John Clayton and "Outside the Lines" reporters Tom Farrey and Justine Gubar was used in this report.

[Jeff Buchanan]

I don't get honoring the by-gone years of the osu/M football game and using that as a stepping stone to advance the argument that Michigan and the B10 will suffer because osu is down.

Why?

There are five or six (if you count MSU which I don't) very good teams in the B10 equal to the best five or six SEC teams. I'd include Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Neb and PSU ..... they've all proven it on the field by beating SEC teams. osu has sucked balls against the SEC. Any one of those teams can replace osu as the B10's best and I look forward to watching M succeed in that endeavor ....w/o osu.

The M/osu rivalry has been soiled. First by M's suckage which did not have anything to do with a lack of institutional integrity and now by osu which had everything to do with it.

I'm done with honoring M/osu; nothing to honor anymore ...... will I want Michigan to beat the living crap out of them every November? Yes, but only to repeatedly remind the osu faithful what the cheating the wretched institution which they claim loyalty to did for a decade or more to achieve only near parity with the Leaders and the Best. Nice try.

Now go back to your corners and sulk.

[hack]

Agree fully with Tony and not Jeff. Jeff I think that the rivalry is an asset to the program. People consider this one of the greatest rivalries in all of sports. That's serious cachet. The Game's not dead, but it does need to be revived certainly. Not too late.

[SeanB]

He said Talbott does not have the financials to possibly have given out the kind of money reported. He said a court filing in Franklin County, Ohio, will show Talbott's extensive financial woes.

Maybe the guy that wrote that line is unfamiliar with the term "middle man". I'm sure boosters are familiar with it.

[Michael Pitts]

Right now, The Game is tarnished both my Michigan's poor performance and Ohio's poor judgement.

Ohio sold it's soul to the devil (Sweatervest) and allowed whatever he wanted. All that mattered was beating Michigan. If he was 6-4 against Michigan he would be been fired immediately after the truth about how he dealt with the Tat5 came out. The institution and the fans of it's football team deserve nothing more than to lose. Lose badly and lose often. If it takes the luster off of The Game for the time being, that is a small price to pay.

I'd rather have to refurbish the status of The Game from a national level after OSU suffers than have to try to manufacture national interest (like Sparty has to). In college football, the bluebloods (UM, ND, USC, OK, etc) will always get the benefit of the doubt when they are good. The Game's national appeal and mystique will never go away, regardless of how one team or another performs in it over a short period of time.

[Tony G]

n college football, the bluebloods (UM, ND, USC, OK, etc) will always get the benefit of the doubt when they are good.

The voicing of opinions that feel U-M was robbed, cheated or otherwise denied greatness by an unfair call are usually pretty strident. Most often heard after a close loss (which RR eliminated by losing convincingly) and especially after an OSU game.

[Michael Pitts]

The voicing of opinions that feel U-M was robbed, cheated or otherwise denied greatness by an unfair call are usually pretty strident. Most often heard after a close loss (which RR eliminated by losing convincingly) and especially after an OSU game.

I meant more along the lines of public opinion and media exposure, as opposed to calls or decisions on the field.

[Tony G]

oh, ok. My mistake

[DennisT]

I think recent events add to the rivalry if anything.

[Ghengis Jon]

I agree. No one likes habitual cheaters. This whole sordid affair may bring UM more fans, if only for one Saturday a year. But for those who are already fans, the lack of class, honor and integrity displayed by osu is old news and not completely surprising.