M-Borg vs. THE Flavortown U Thread, Orig. by Buckeye Paul, absconded w/by talent.

[hack]

Look all you media lovers ...... I'm all for a judgment on a perpetrator of an offense that is fact based and proves a violation of the law, organizational policy or contract provision given due process. I don't give a fuck about what the media opines and there is way too much of that kind of thing in the press these days masquerading as fact. I think the Meyer accusations are a good example of this as is all the innuendo swirling about right now about Meyers time at UF.

Too often there is a rush to judgement, flamed by outrage and that outrage stoked by media reporting, which, IMO, is overly subjective with the motivating factor for printing such stories being revenue generation. Right now I believe there is a conflict of interests between reporting the facts and stating them as such and making money without regard to them within top news organizations such as the mainstream US news outlets. Plenty of journalists have called for higher standards of reporting. Maybe, Hack, you're' not among that group or so it would seem.

The media has to be held more accountable for creating these firestorms following discovery of tantalizing tid-bits (I called them prurient interests) that then precipitate unfair, subjective based outcomes. I'm completely aware of the value of the press in unraveling and getting to the bottom of cover-ups like those that occurred at MSU and PSU and elsewhere. It is stupid to not recognize that positive outcome when crimes are uncovered and later proven to be such.

At the same time, it's my view that the media must also be held to account for the collateral damage they are often responsible for in these matters when they stoke early outrage over claims of sexual misconduct, domestic violence and the like, later proven to be factually unsupportable. Frequently, allegations of these crimes aren't fully investigated because accusers and the accused didn't want to go through the media circus that might surround such an investigation and trial, civil or legal. The damage doesn't go away for them, though. Ask the literally hundreds of high profile accused people who have resigned their positions facing accusations like this without any due process that might allow for discovery of the facts in support of innocence or guilt. Likewise, accusers drift into anonymity rather than face public scrutiny and the high cost of trying to prove the veracity of the allegations.

There has to be some balance in these matters and right now, I think a good case can be made that less than fact based reporting and innuendo fueled by media reporting is tipping the scale of justice unfairly to their side.

This in and of itself is an uninformed hottake of the same sort you are bitching about. You can hit up news.google.com and see the nature of the top headlines. Are they of the ``Roast Meyer!!!!!!" variety or straight up reports of what happened? I know. I suspect you don't. You here are simultaneously blaming media for overdone investigations AND underdone ones. WTF?

Life isn't fair, Jeff. Meyer isn't owed fairness, and, well, media aren't either. If you can't tell the difference between a recitation of the facts and a fanning of the flames by some pundit who isn't a journalist but gets lumped in with the umbrella term "media", there's nobody to stop you. Nobody's forcing you to know better.

[iam416]

[iam416]

[hack]

If it actually happens, my prediction of five years and out will be looking much better than it did. But it's not going to happen. I'm a lot less confident of that statement than I was 6 hours ago, but I still think it's not going to happen.

[WingsFan]

3 years ago, maybe even 2 he keeps his job, not now. Not just a question of ethics and perhaps ignoring the alleged battering of a spouse. Today's #me too culture along with footballs stance on sexual assault and domestic violence - he gone.

[iam416]

[iam416]

Wings:

I agree. I think he absolutely survives - easily - in 2016 and even early 2017. The SJW #MeToo stuff makes him a victim of remarkably bad timing.

[hack]

Different shade of the same color in my book. But I just don't know. I'll believe it when it happens.

What's the vibe on campus right now? If it happened with school in session there'd be SJWs out by the thousands creating the kind of ruckus that often becomes the final nail or two in the coffin. But it's August. Can't be all that many people around to do that, right?

[AlabamAlum]

Ohio State fires Urban.
Harbaugh finishes 3rd in the Big10-East again.
Michigan fires Harbaugh and hires Meyer.
Michigan beats Ohio State and wins the NC.

[iam416]

[iam416]

Heh, and my piddley annual donation will dry up!

[AlabamAlum]

And I will say it again, the photographic "proof" of her abuse - the pic of her red upper arm - looks ginned up to me. Did he abuse her? Sure, okay. I have no reason to believe otherwise. But there is something funny about that pic.


I know, I know. Alabama Man doubting the victim and excusing the abuser.

[CGVT]

I wonder if the Penn Staters are screaming about this?

[hack]

And I will say it again, the photographic "proof" of her abuse - the pic of her red upper arm - looks ginned up to me. Did he abuse her? Sure, okay. I have no reason to believe otherwise. But there is something funny about that pic.


I know, I know. Alabama Man doubting the victim and excusing the abuser.

I've seen a lot of spinals, Dude, and this guy is a fake. This guy fucking walks. I've never been more sure of anything in my life.

[AlabamAlum]

There is a Lebowski quote for everything.