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I would guess you could make an argument for tortious interference with a business expectancy or something similar. But the university would have to be pretty darn sure that they weren't complicit.
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Pryor wasn't going to be eligible anyway.Comment
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But it opens a huge can of worms. Check any sports memorabilia site right now. Tons of stuff out there....signed by current athletes.......Comment
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taken from ebay post:
I obtained all of these autographs, myself, in person, and they are guaranteed to be 100% authentic.
How can an athlete be allowed to not sign something. Some people (kids) keep these items for themselves, while others profit from it. In tp's case both himself and talbott profited.Comment
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Autographng stuff isn't a violation, obviously, it's making money off of it. They will need evidence that money was exchanged and in Pryor's case it sounds like they have itComment
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As this avalanche of corruption unforlds before our eyes I am wondering if it is even possible in today's environment to win a CFB championship without cheating! There are rumors that Oregon and Auburn are targets of investigation. But going back over the decades this stuff has always been with us.
I suspect that no program is completely pure, not even UM, but the scale of corruption we are seeing in Columbus boggles the mind. I finally got around to reading the SI article (thought it had been pretty well detoxified by those who have scanned the details) but I found it even more scathing than many here have concluded. The thing that sticks with me is the whole culture in the state of Ohio. The ariticle suggests that region is an outlier as far as B10 communities go, more akin to places like Tuscaloosa and Baton Rouge. Their obsession with winning seems to outweigh everything.
It reminds me. Why this incredible hatred for Michigan? We have only beaten them once in the last 10 years. What is it that dominates their thinking about that state "up north"? The mindset in Ohio seems more akin to the mindset of the deep confederacy states in their attitude toward the north, even to this day. I think it is a deep inferiority complex.
But I diverge. The Ohio State corruption appears to be long-standing and pervasive. I believe now there will indeed be major sanctions imposed. And I will probably gloat with the rest of us but in the end it is bad for everybody, esp. here in the B10. In a way it is a microcosm of the corruption in our society today. In sports it is win at all costs. To hell with integrity. In the bigger national picture it is political power no matter the price. We see it daily as the next presidential election cycle begins and evidence of disonesty and double standards in government, in business, in our media -- everywhere, becomes part of our daily awareness.
Maybe the Ivy League schools were right after all. They decided it wasn't worth the price to play sports in the big leagues and that it was more important to preserve the academic integrity of their schools. We all love sports and if we could have a system where competition could be engaged in on a level playing field then the best teams could still win but in a way that all could celebrate.Comment
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Thats why they are, where they are, today. The only way that things will change, is when ohio's equivalent of Michigan Men come back around the program, and wrest control back from the fanatics. Those who take pride in their school, their traditions, and their legacy. I know a lot of people don't like Kirk Herbstreit, but I believe he, along with Chris Spielman, Archie Griffin and some others need to step forward and become the face of the program again. Otherwise, they're going to be stuck with Terrelle Pryor and Maurice Clarett's faces dominating every discussion about ohio football.The thing that sticks with me is the whole culture in the state of Ohio. The ariticle suggests that region is an outlier as far as B10 communities go, more akin to places like Tuscaloosa and Baton Rouge. Their obsession with winning seems to outweigh everything.
I think you are 100% spot on, Doc.It reminds me. Why this incredible hatred for Michigan? We have only beaten them once in the last 10 years. What is it that dominates their thinking about that state "up north"? The mindset in Ohio seems more akin to the mindset of the deep confederacy states in their attitude toward the north, even to this day. I think it is a deep inferiority complex."in order to lead America you must love America"Comment
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Pryor may not have been the first active Buckeye player to collect cash for signatures from Talbott. The parent of one former Ohio State player told "Outside the Lines" that he saw Talbott provide what he called "stacks of money" to active Buckeye players, including a player now in the NFL.
Uh oh. How deep will the rabbit hole get?Comment
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That is certainly an "uh-oh" if there's a paper trail.Originally posted by Jamie H View PostComment
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That is the first I've heard of any "significant" violations outside of Tressel lying to the NCAA. All of the other stuff was relatively minor stuff (in terms of violations) that would have probably gone unpunished if Tressel had just properly reported it. Unless of course Tressel was actively involved in setting any of it up (which has not been proven).Comment
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Just speculating, but maybe that's why saint jim lied about the whole thing from the beginning.Comment
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That's whats so bad about things like this. When one thing comes out, then all sorts of things start coming to light.
This is one thing that scared me about the Michigan "practice-gate" investigation. I kept wondering when the next shoe was going to drop. Where was the next "tattler" going to come from.
Fortunately, the violations were centered in one area, and the problem was dealt with.
ohio has more problems than just tressel and Pryor."in order to lead America you must love America"Comment
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Maybe the Ivy League schools were right after all. They decided it wasn't worth the price to play sports in the big leagues and that it was more important to preserve the academic integrity of their schools. We all love sports and if we could have a system where competition could be engaged in on a level playing field then the best teams could still win but in a way that all could celebrate.[/QUOTE]
I also think maybe the Ivy League schools got it right and share the sentiment.
To some extent the general goings on in college football and perhaps elsewhere in our global society seems to be the nature of the beast. That is "things" generally start out small, quaint, friendly, and with a sense of honesty, integrity, and a shared sense of right and wrong. Not a lot of rules and still fewer people willing to break them. However, change is inevitable and necessary to prevent stagnation and the incestual procreation of the intellect. However, along the way, a tipping point is reached and things either become "to big to fail" and a shadow of themselves, are somehow redirected back along along the quaint, friendly path of tradition, and/or we learn from our mistakes or at least keep from repeating them. Ultimately, it's the old adage about progress having a price, the chaos theory of the universe, and some law (of quantum mechanics I think) that postulates "all things decay." I think I have seen it, to one degree or another, in my country, community, family, and personal life. Anyway, for me, I think college football may be at that tipping point, or perhaps has even tipped, where it's future will continue to have some semblance of what may be viewed by some of us as the golden years or transition into something many of us do not recognize but which, for many others, may be perceived as another golden era.Comment
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Rabbit hole really is the right phrase for it. Again -- a coupla years of bowl bans and scholarship reductions is good. A neutered OSU for a decade is very bad, although if it is deserved it should happen. Rules are rules.Comment
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